Conflict In The Middle East

[eeek]

I see, play the 9/11 card

Whats 9/11 got to do with Israel bombing Lebonan?

Freedom of speech .. I can call anyone I like "dumb or dumber" King B Liar hasn't managed to take that away..but hes working on it!

I knew it would end in tears.

[mnichols7]

 
Let say someone , a friend, a stranger walks up to you and punches you in the face, are you going to allow that?Ã,  Maybe let him strike you again.Ã,  Are you going to take that?Ã,  Maybe you wouldn't fight back if you were harm but what if it was your children? What then?Ã,  You can only take so much before you will see red and you will fight back.Ã,  A mouse corned can inflict a mighty bite.Ã, 

My point is Isreal was attacked and her attackers hide behind the skirts of women and the small bodies of children, is not Hesaboa (please forgive the spelling) doing this?Ã,  Did not Isreal drop leaflets warning the populace to leave.Ã,  You can only do so much, the final results are, if need be you will do what is necessary to protect your children first.

Isreal is a very small nation, it is surrounded by those that would blast it off the face of the Earth if they could.Ã,  Isreal has the right to exsist.Ã,  I have a right to exsist.Ã,  You have the right to exsist.Ã,  And if I feel my right for exsisting is threaten what do you think I should do?Ã,  Lay down and die?Ã,  Not yet my friend, not yet.

[gerrymo]

Isreal is only a small coutry in size. Through National Service, they potentially have a massive army that is well trained, and well equiped. And don't forget they have Nukes and the capability to lauch them.

And dont be so naive to think that Blair is not a puppy of Bush. Whatever Bush wants, he gets.

Look at extradtion. All the US has to do to get ANYONE from the UK extradided to the US is ask. But when the boot is on the other foot, there are court cases, appeals, etc to go through, and that takes months/years.

Look at Iraq. 10s of 1000s already dead, more being killed every day. Where are these WMDs that Bush convinced Blair were a serious risk? They dont exist. It is a war for Oil and contracts for Haliburton. Are the Iraqi people any better off? Not one bit.

Bush is a danger to every person on this planet with his "I'm going to police the world and save it" attitude.

[mnichols7]

There will be a day when you will be thankful you had two strong men in office when this came about.  Your views are to me lopsided.  And rather you realized it or not, weapons were found, but none of the liberal media/press told you about it.  They were not nuclear but chemical.

It is a good thing Israel does have nuclear weapons; it is the only thing that has kept their enemies at bay.  To their credit they have not use them, but I promise you, any of the countries surrounding them would have already done so.

I will not defend the subject that oil is at the basis of some of the conflict in which the USA and England and others are involved.  Oil runs this world today we all know it. A country that runs on fossil fuel will always be in debt to those that have it.

OPEC forces our hand when they raise their prices and cut production and are you going to tell me that is not for profit?  They hold the winning hand, they know it, we know it, you should know it. All we are doing is calling their bluff.

Now, to that I and will admit too.  But even so, we still have the right as does any other country on this Earth, to life, freedom and the pursuit of happiness. United States police the world?  I have heard that of course, I wish we didn't have to.  What would happen if we did not get involved?  What are your thoughts on that? 

I think the United States should forget the oil fields and concentrate here in finding our own resources.  We have them, but the environmentalist protest, well you can't have your cake and eat it too.  Either gas gurgling Americans should give up some of their luxuries or be willing to sacrifice some land to have their/our own sources.  Every time this is brought up in congress, it gets voted down.

Believed it or not, our President does not have as much power as you might think and he only has eight years to try and do what he said he would do.  Dictators have as long as they live or until a stronger force come along and take it away from them.
I can only say I am loyal American and glad that I live here.

Oh yes, don’t you guys just love arguing with me?     

[mnichols7]

I see, play the 9/11 card

Whats 9/11 got to do with Israel bombing Lebonan?

Freedom of speech .. I can call anyone I like "dumb or dumber" King B Liar hasn't managed to take that away..but hes working on it!

I knew it would end in tears.

My goodness are you crying?

[eeek]

My goodness are you crying?

not me I  like a good argument 

I just see that reply about 9/11 as a classic bush/blair spin response. Its been used to justify everything since the day it happened with a bit of 7/7 thrown for good measure. ( obviously if you have a terror attack, we HAVE to have one too )

This Israel/Lebanon thing has nothing to do with any of that other than the west class Hezbollah and Hamas as terrorists same as al-Qaeda (who used to be our buddies, "freedom fighters" in Soviet controlled Afghanistan and were well supplied with US weapons).  You could say Hamas has tried - relatively unheard of for a long time, then won a democratic election, (  maybe a lot of Palestinians stayed home that day and didn’t vote )  but still no one will listen to their side.

Both the US and the UK knew the Chemical weapons Iraq had - they were supplied by both of them to fight Iran the last time round. They also knew he didn't have any left

And the both know the weapons Israel has - The US being their main supplier and their Nuke technology supplied by the UK way back in the 50s [I think it was].

All for $$ and power and to suit the agenda of the time.

As for the Bush/B Liar puppy thing

http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1041562006

Read in to it what you wish...my opinion..B Liar is more or less told go home it nothing to do with you Condis going to sort it sometime..maybe..

B Liar is incapable of saying NO. If Bush says jump B Liar jumps.

[mnichols7]

All of that is not news to me; I make no apologies for President Bush in a moment when he thought his words were private.  He is not the first world leader this has happened to and he will not be the last.  I really think the press should find more relative news to discuss other than that Bush uttered an expletive.  I have uttered a few myself and I am sure you have cut loose at times.  You probably would like to now.

I think I said, and I know you read my book where I said the same thing, allies will become enemies and vice versa.  I think France and England are the best examples of this.

Do you really give the President of the Untied State that much authority?  I am surprise that you think that highly of him. 

All that you say about Russia and Afghanistan is true but as you say what comparative does it have to world events today?  It can not be undone and all is 20/20 hindsight anyway. 

I bet if you knew that you would have an accident today that you would not get into the car, right?  Same situation, different circumstances. 

But all of this is for naught, as much as all of us would like for this to stop, it’s not going too.  Israel has no choice.  Their air war is not working, it is having disastrous outcome and the bombs are still falling on Israel.  They are going to have to fight a ground war.  Go house to house to flush out Hezbollah, many more are going to die and somewhere in this mix nuclear weapons will come into play and when they do, the whole world will pay a dear price.  We will return to the 1800s as far as our technology goes.

Can you go back a complete century to live? 

[IchBin]

I guess I better put in my $.02...

What does 9/11 have to do with Israel bombing Lebanon?

Well last time I watched the news pretty much all the bombing, wars, and attacks were instigated by terrorists, so I think it has a lot to do with 9/11. These terrorist attacks won't stop until they're sent to meet their maker.

While I agree that Bush hasn't made all the right decisions I don't think there's any President who could have been handed what he has and done any better. I mean look at our economy. In my state, we have never had such a surplus of work. Amazing to me that the US can be in such a state at war and everything yet, still have an economy going stronger than ever.

I really don't care if they found any WMD's or not. But if you for one minute think that Sadam a man who has killed millions of people didn't have them I think your very deluded. How easy would it be to smuggle them into another country....

I think that using Oil as an exuse of this war is a sad one. If that was the case why am I still paying 2.80 for a gallon of gas and why has the oil companies reported the biggest profits EVER!?

I also think that Tony Blair is a man that stands on his own. I've read quite a few articles from him. I read one that came out about a year after the war in Iraq about why we can't give up on the war on terrorism and why Iraq shouldn't be abandoned. I'll give Tony some props, he's one of the most intelligent Leaders in this world if you ask me. Heck, I'd rather have him than Bush... lol

As for the death toll in Iraq I only have one thing to say. Considering how long we've been at war I think the numbers are incredible as far as comparing it to something like Vietnam. If the terrorists would step out from behind the civilians there wouldn't be such a casualty problem with innocent people. If you don't think Iraq is better off I'm sorry you don't see the truths about this war. I personally know quite a few people who have gone and returned from Iraq. Not a single one of them has said such a thing. All I heard was stories of Iraqi people thanking them for the things we've done. While the press reports it's not so....

[mnichols7]

Mightly good 2 cents.  :up:

[Techdomain]

Freedom of speech .. I can call anyone I like "dumb or dumber" King B Liar hasn't managed to take that away..but hes working on it!

lol... the freedom of speech card. isnt that a good one. questions - does defamation exist where you are? and before freedom of speech is played, have you stopped to consider that that isnt always a good thing?

and whatever happened to freedom of thought?