Conflict In The Middle East

[carnage]

if that is so then why are all there civilian places being hit.. is the US selling them the fault rickets or something... it will only end in more innocent deaths until it is resolved anyway.... but i can see why they want to invade just that.. welll.. too many innocents have already been causlt t poor military comanding and not enough off the enemy have perished...
we can only hope and prey for those unfortuate to have suffered th fait off a swift exit...................

[mnichols7]

War is hell!  Why?  For the very reasons you just stated.  I recall a saying, all's fair in love and war.  Some times I think the same can be said about keeping the peace. I am of the opinion that the best defense is a good offense.  If you bow down to a bully, he will only continue to bully you.  Stand up to him and he will run and think twice about attacking you again!

You may think that all that is occurring in the Middle East is over oil but that is only a small fraction of it.  They have it, we want it and both they and we will do what needs to be done in our/their own best interest.  To control the oil fields is to control the economies of the world.  It is a power struggle; it has always been so, from time eternal.

Israel lies on land that was given to them by God.  I say given but in actuarially they took the promise land, it was inhabited by heathen, gentiles.  They were ordered by God to kill every living man, woman, child and beast.  Read it for yourself in your Bible.  We would not recognize the God of the Old Testament as the God we worship today.

The United States will become involved in the conflict there, it has no choice, only it will be of little use for the war is going to escalate, it will not be stopped, not by any government on this Earth.

Our allies will become our enemies and our enemies will become our allies. Recall WWII.  The United Nations has no power, only what is allowed to it.  It will fall apart; it never worked the way it should have to begin with.

I feel deeply for the civilians who will perish and suffer in this conflict but such is the nature of war.  It is so you cannot recognize the enemy for he does not wear the garb of a soldier, and he hides in the homes of citizens.  It is he that puts the people in harm’s way for he uses them as a shield. 

Yes, war is hell. 

[Techdomain]

It is so you cannot recognize the enemy for he does not wear the garb of a soldier, and he hides in the homes of citizens.  It is he that puts the people in harm’s way for he uses them as a shield.

that is the crux of it all, and the reason that innocent civillians are being killed. It has nothing to do with inaccuracies at all.
The reason that such tactics are tried? simply because it works. Take Vietnam as a case in point - the enemy hid amongst the civillians, and in doing so beat a much more powerful military force. they did that in two ways. Firstly, made it impossible for effective military tactics because the military didnt know who to attack, and where the attack was coming from. Secondly, and possibly more importantly, they turned public opinion against the military, and the action in Vietnam because innocent civillians were killed.
Iraq is in danger of goin the same way, and if/when it does, it becomes an almost impossible struggle. this is why terrorist groups continue to use the same tactics - and why "innocent" civillians will always get killed, and in higher proportions then in wars of the past.

[carnage]

thanks your opinions where noted...
im just glad we all agree
the war should have been stopped before it started :\

[gerrymo]

It is so you cannot recognize the enemy for he does not wear the garb of a soldier, and he hides in the homes of citizens.  It is he that puts the people in harm’s way for he uses them as a shield.

that is the crux of it all, and the reason that innocent civillians are being killed. It has nothing to do with inaccuracies at all.
The reason that such tactics are tried? simply because it works. Take Vietnam as a case in point - the enemy hid amongst the civillians, and in doing so beat a much more powerful military force. they did that in two ways. Firstly, made it impossible for effective military tactics because the military didnt know who to attack, and where the attack was coming from. Secondly, and possibly more importantly, they turned public opinion against the military, and the action in Vietnam because innocent civillians were killed.
Iraq is in danger of goin the same way, and if/when it does, it becomes an almost impossible struggle. this is why terrorist groups continue to use the same tactics - and why "innocent" civillians will always get killed, and in higher proportions then in wars of the past.

Not quite true. They hit civillian areas, as that's where Hezbollah operate from. Sad, but true.

[eeek]

They hit civillian areas, as that's where Hezbollah operate from

Right..they hit them because they want to hit them. its an easy excuse. blow up a school - yeh thats ok ther was  Hezbollah in it.  They blow up tv stations and mobile phone masts because Hezbollah use them, but it ok for Condi to do the same.

The Bush administration made an emergency request to Congress yesterday for a seven-fold increase in funding to mount the biggest ever propaganda campaign against the Tehran government, in a further sign of the worsening crisis between Iran and the west.

Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, said the $75m (ÂÃ,£43m) in extra funds, on top of $10m already allocated for later this year, would be used to broadcast US radio and television programmes into Iran, help pay for Iranians to study in America and support pro-democracy groups inside the country.

Thats what they do..blow up anything they like and say "but the baddies were using it" its dead easy for them.  Your all convinced theres a Hezbollah behind every tree and just go alomg with the bullshit. 
Whats a Hezbollah? Whats a Hamas? They are people who think different to Bush and Blair!!! so must be removed.

Isreal, US, UK and most other western countries dont give a shit if ALL the people in Lebanon, Syria or Iran drop dead tomorrow there just in the way anyway.

Think back..the IRA did the same thing in the UK but nobody bombed the shit out of Nothern Ireland did they?

[Techdomain]

well yes... the IRA did.

[mnichols7]

I will make this brief, this conversation is fruitless.  We will never see with one eye.  We have our own agendas and they are polluted with our own personal circumstances. 

Unless we are willing to donned a uniform and go into battle ourselves to support our schemas, it is time to cease and disperse.

Enough said, my last post on the subject.  Good luck to all.

[carnage]

you also have to remeber though that we do give a monkies about lebanon as we used to own it and have alot off british nationals over there..
another thing this counrty is known for its aid aroud the world... like with the sunamis... we gave the most money in charity and are like the smalliest country in the world who gave aid!

[Techdomain]

who are "we"?

anyway... I have had enough too. we can all agree that war is inherantly bad, but is an unfortunate evil that sometimes needs to be. I have been there, and I dont care for it much.