What is happening here ?

[G6Cad]

The lats coulpe of weeks there has been several posts that have not been that fun to read.
Some users argue a lot.

A lot of breaking in other peoples threads that leeds to pointless discussion that have nothing to do with the thread and the question first asked in the thread.

Personal discussions that have nothing to do with tiny portal or smf at all, and that hurts both tiny portal, the staff that runs it, and us visitors that read it.

I see more and more of it every day now, hijacking threads, personal issues and even users jumping on one and other.

Why does this have to be? What are you guys get out of this, exept a very unpleasent portal for us other visitors here?

This is a nice portal, whay cant it stay that way?, Why do some people have to pick on other users, like the fact of one in the shoutbox this morning?. "old" crip changed nick, and emediatly, some one other need to make a comment on that, and the comment havent got anything to do with TP or SMF at all. This is starting to get really annoying. And i think im not the only one that have seen or feel this way about this ?

Try keep it to what this is all about, and stop making this a personal vendetta place on the internet. If you really must have some sort of useless discussion and pick on other users and hijacking threads and turn the forums to all other things that it suppose to be, Please take that somewhere else, or use SMF and Tinyportal and start an argueforum for the matters you seem to not be able to stop doing here.
We are a lot of users here who need help with this SMF and Portal, and i really dont like to have to read a lot of useless threads that have nothing to do what this site and portal are all about.
If i see a question in a board, i want to read about that and nothing else. If i make a thread and a post of my own, i would like to have that thread containing the answer, or a discusion about the topic of that thread, and not some stupid argue that have nothing to so whit my question or topic.

Thanks for reading this, and sorry if i point this out and you may take offence in this.
And sorry for my English

//Carina

[TwinsX2Dad]

While I know that some of this is directed toward me, I can't help but comment generally.

First off, hijacking a thread is somewhat subjective. What might be considered hijacking to one person might be a natural evolution of a discussion to another. Care must be exercised when dealing with moderating such things.

Two, discussions of any type can be useful or detrimental, depending on your point of view. If the end result is additional education, it can't be all bad.

Last, when a site grows, disagreements increase. This is because more personalities increase the chances of these things happening.

The beauty of a message board is that the best ones mirror reality. Not everyone will get along, nor can you expect them to. Families fight and co-workers argue. Fellow church goers have spats and people show vulgarities to each other in traffic. Sometimes, friends react to each other with more animosity than do enemies. Occasionally, adults storm off in a tantrum laced rage, only to return looking a bit different than when they left.

For my part in any of this, I honestly try to avoid name-calling, although sometimes a harsh tone might come through in my posts. Sarcasm and humor (sometimes intermingled) are a trademark of mine, developed from well over 20 years of online communications. Something that isn't part of my nature is sugar coating anything. I tend to tell it like it is, from a cold realist's point of view. I got a message ealier from someone telling me "if you hate SMF so much, why are you here?" I don't hate SMF - but being a realist, I won't claim that it is something it is not. So the reader assumed I hated SMF.

A site like this can never be a family-like one. There are currently 4140 members. How many of them have posted anything in the past month? How many of those 4000+ have come for info on a single problem, posted two times, then never returned? How many have never posted? Not looking at the member list, how many names from here can you recall?

By its very nature, a site like this is extremely transient. People don't stick around long enough to develop much of an affinity for others, nor do they pay enough attention to others to learn how they act, react or write. By telling people they have to act a certain way, when their way is acceptable in real life, serves only to run off people and minimize the support base here. When they run off, they get other software, further reducing the base.

If you don't like the way someone writes, skip over their posts.

[G6Cad]

Two, discussions of any type can be useful or detrimental, depending on your point of view. If the end result is additional education, it can't be all bad.

Agree, not all bad, As long as it stays with in a non person violation towards a specifik member ar a compleate off topic argue to some one elses topic or post. Then itÂÃ,´s not that educating exept fore perhaps on how to abuse somone

A site like this can never be a family-like one. There are currently 4140 members. How many of them have posted anything in the past month? How many of those 4000+ have come for info on a single problem, posted two times, then never returned? How many have never posted? Not looking at the member list, how many names from here can you recall?

Agree to some piont even there. Not all that are registerd as members post, but for those who are, i still dont think open personal issues to another visitor, is a proper way to show off the community for new visitors and SMF TinyPortal users.
I like to keep things somekind of familylike, that way a lot of those who havent posted or replyed perhaps feel that they can without some cold robotlike common forum user state out a lot of facts like from a book or manuall.
A lot ( like me for instanse) started out with PMs cause i didnt dare to post in the open forum at first. Not all visitors are the fact reading kind, a lot of them have a hard time dare just making a post or a reply even if they were forced to.
Now im not saying that Facts are bad, itÂÃ,´s the facts that gives the answers, But is it really hard to give a fact, without sounding like a robot without any blood or feelings? I guess that 20 years behind a screen and codes and forums with "stupid" questions can do that enyone woul turn out a bit cold and just state the facts.
An more "womanly" way perhaps could make the visitors dare to try more instead of ripping their hair off and not be able to dare ask or get the forum scripts to work ?

For my part in any of this, I honestly try to avoid name-calling, although sometimes a harsh tone might come through in my posts.

I guess you have your way in this, and you beleiave in your way, and you really know this and the coding, no argue about that, but i think it scares more than itÂÃ,´s good for a lot of visitors.
And after a while when someone yells a lot or allways act the same way, people just ignore and turn away, and i dont think you really want it that way ? Your intention are good, your facts are brilliant, so wouldent it be somehow better if the visitors actually read all of your knowlage you share, instead of just skipp over the posts with all the usfull things you are willing to share?

People don't stick around long enough to develop much of an affinity for others, nor do they pay enough attention to others to learn how they act, react or write.

Most people just want an answer for their problem yes, but there are still a a lot who follow and are in here every day reading atleast. Remember my PM to you about i didnt "feel" that you felt good and that was the reason for hoe you acted that night?   I did say that because i did not recognise you in your posts, and or in your facts, and how you wrote things.
You state a lot of facts, ind thats the way i learned a lot here, and i started to "feel" you, so i think im not the only one here who kind of "feel" the other users way after some time here. ?

If you don't like the way someone writes, skip over their posts.

Well, thats the easy way out, but if i really want to know or follow a question from what the topic say it should be, and i get in there and see that itÂÃ,´s nothing like an answer in there, just a lot of argue or even a war sometimes, thats not giving me anything but an lye in the face and i guess the topicstarter feel the same way, And lets say itÂÃ,´s the first time anyone here post, and it took them several tryes just to dare typing in a question... I wonder if they ever going to dare try again? And avvoy topics could be difficult if the arguing comes arround in a lot of threads quite often.

And you dont have to take this personally, this was somewhat pointed out from my side to all, And as a question on whats happening here, just as the topic says.    

[Crip]

Right on g6cad..great post!

[feline]

For my part in any of this, I honestly try to avoid name-calling, although sometimes a harsh tone might come through in my posts. Sarcasm and humor (sometimes intermingled) are a trademark of mine, developed from well over 20 years of online communications. Something that isn't part of my nature is sugar coating anything.

I read many of your post and now i think it's a good recommendation, to reduce your ... TradeMark ... TwinsX2Dad.

And to Carina i say only one ... thank you for this great post

Fel

[Crip]

Right on feline - !!

[Mitch]

Ok after reading this and my trade mark being a pacifist, but those of you who do know me is that I will stick up for myself if need be.

I can see everyones points of opinions and can agree with most of them except for the later half of Twins post.

I mean this cant be a utopia cause we as humans have personalities and well get more then ten of us in a room and we but heads.

True most people leave after getting there question answered. I started here this way but I am more of a regular now.

I do stick around and I have "grown" to a personal level with several people here. One of them being crip. When I was told that he quick because of an instance with someone I had problems with a couple days prior to. I was about to leave and not come back.

I think that people who come in here and think that they are better then anyone else they shouldnt be allowed back here. I know someone is thinking I dont think I am better then anyone else. But if you come in here with the mindset where you come down here and belittle some one and once you press the post button at that moment you are thinking your better then everyone else.

I will also say I have never had a conflict with anyone. There was one incident between me Sloopz and Wolfenbrook but that was worked out but people still felt like they needed to but in and tell me I was wrong. Anywho other then that this has been a fairly "peacefull" forum.

And about the personal discussions. Well thats why they are here and well it wouldnt be bad for Bloc to hear some constructive criticism would it?

I will admit I tend not to go to a thread when I see the last person who posted was someone I have had a conflict with. Why? Cause I know there is a good chance that I will get ridiculed for helping someone. I dont think that is right. Someone may be getting deprived of information they want/need because of a personal confict.

Ok I think I covered everything I had to say.

[Crip]

If you don't like the way someone writes, skip over their posts.

It's not the way they write, but rather what they say when they write.. my 2ÂÃ,¢.

[Mitch]

If you don't like the way someone writes, skip over their posts.

It's not the way they write, but rather what they say when they write.. my 2ÂÃ,¢.

Agreed.

[TwinsX2Dad]

Thanks for reading this, and sorry if i point this out and you may take offence in this.

I missed this earlier - I always read everything I respond to. It makes for less misunderstandings. And, I never take offense on anything from a message board. I may become angry or frustrated, but never am I offended. There are more important things in life - I leave getting offended to the left wing, crybaby liberals.   

And sorry for my English

You should stop that - your English is better than ÂÃ,¾ of those online - including ÂÃ,½ I've bantered with in the past 48 hours. Never apologize for trying - only apologize for not.

Agree, not all bad, As long as it stays with in a non person violation towards a specifik member ar a compleate off topic argue to some one elses topic or post. Then itÂÃ,´s not that educating exept fore perhaps on how to abuse somone

It can run toward abuse, but it is often not apparent who is the abuser and who was being abused. In reality, what started it all? What is interesting is the number of people put off by the byline in my signature. Any study of human anthropology includes a startling fact: overall, people do not want to hear the truth - but they want to be right, no matter what.

What does this mean? Lets pick on something controversial here - let's say baseballs. Person A is an emotional type and says baseballs are dangerous and once saw someone get hit by a baseball. Person B says there is no way a baseball is dangerous and comes armed with passion. Person C comes along and asks if they should allow their family to play baseball. Person A responds with, "no way - baseballs are dangerous. Nothing good can come from playing with baseballs." Person B comes along with 1,000 reasons baseballs are not dangerous and how playing with one can be beneficial. Person A will have none of this and all onlookers feel sympathy for Person A, because they've all seen someone hit by a baseball. But, if you step back, Person A has no proof of what they're saying, does little or nothing to back up their claim and is simply speaking from an emotional (yet irrational) view. Person B has those 1,000 reasons and recites them. And Person A will make certain they individually question each and every one of those reasons - but in the end, they will not be listening to any of them. Their mind is set and nobody else can have another opinion. Also, in the end, Person B is made out to be the bad guy, because how could he say these things? After all, the onlookers all knew someone who'd been hit with a baseball! How dare he bring up facts!

There is always an unpopular position. But what is unpopular may also be what is right. For what you were pointing out as my last issue - in that case, the popular opinion here is that SMF is the best thing since sliced bread or electric starters. In reality, it is not for everybody. I have an email that came in a couple of hours ago that, if it ends up being verified, will force me to not only get off of SMF, but also will mean I will ban it from my servers. The claim is a bit out there, but I am open to truth and don't allow prejudices to color my decisions.

Agree to some piont even there. Not all that are registerd as members post, but for those who are, i still dont think open personal issues to another visitor, is a proper way to show off the community for new visitors and SMF TinyPortal users.

Then maybe the 'support' forum should never show any troubles? Never ever let them see the truth!   

I like to keep things somekind of familylike, that way a lot of those who havent posted or replyed perhaps feel that they can without some cold robotlike common forum user state out a lot of facts like from a book or manuall.

Family-like as in the Brady Bunch and/or Ozzie & Harriet? The reality is, message boards are more like The Osbournes or Monty Python. Dysfunctional and, in many ways, senseless.

I guess that 20 years behind a screen and codes and forums with "stupid" questions can do that enyone woul turn out a bit cold and just state the facts.
An more "womanly" way perhaps could make the visitors dare to try more instead of ripping their hair off and not be able to dare ask or get the forum scripts to work ?

Nobody has an issue with when I try to assist someone with server issues or under the hood of SMF. They have an issue when I cut down their favorite message board software. They act as if they are Jeff Lewis and I am being unreasonably libelous. How dare someone criticize this hard work? The reality is, better than 70% of the boards you people are running today will not be in existence 18 months from now. Of those that are still in existence, half will have changed what they are running on. A friend of mine used to hate me when i brought up the downfalls of phpBB - until his gave him one too many problems and he switched to IPB. Now he tells everyone of the downfalls of phpBB. Fortunately, he has learned his lesson and will admit the shortfalls of IPB, too. Age has a way of doing that to you.

There has also been a person who decided to take everything I said personally - he would stalk me and harrass me, due to something twisted in his mind; a twisting there was no basis for. His claim to fame was the shield of Christianity. The problem was, he used it as a shield, but never put it on. For this individual, nothing I said was good enough and everything I said had some hidden meaning against him.

As if I had a defense against this sort of behavior, short of leaving here. If I left here, I would have no choice but to remove TP, since the support and upgrade issues would be gone for me. It isn't a big deal, but it might be nice to get a full handle on this thing in case I want to deploy it to my clients.

I read many of your post and now i think it's a good recommendation, to reduce your ... TradeMark ... TwinsX2Dad.

Interesting that you say you've read many of my posts - but you've never taken the time to interact with any of them.....in some cases, you've acted as if I didn't exist and that my post wasn't there.

Right on g6cad..great post!

Right on feline - !!

Agreed.

Still having issues with stalking there Jeff? We've been discussing you on another board I run. We could use some more fodder. Maybe some day I'll INVITE you to it. If you were to somehow track it down and join it, well - more of the same would happen. Grow up and go away kid - you bother me.

New prediction: Karma=0 before sunset. Its okay because I am not into Hindu occultism, like so many board developers are.