I am not a person that really follows the news all that well, and to be honest sometimes I would rather not watch it because sometimes it is just too darn depressing and I just think that there isn’t any good news to watch, it always seems like there is always bad news.
I am personally worried about what is going on in the Middle East, I mean people, things are really starting to get really bad, and the heat is getting turned up, and people are fighting and dying like everyday. I know, this is normal, but I don’t think most people understand the impact of what is really going on, and we as Americans (and other countries) really should worry, because even though the fighting is going on over there, it is possible that it could affect us greatly.
For the longest time, there has been something going on over there, and I know that these people have been at war for years, and that just goes to show you, what is wrong with these people, and what is their total outlook on what is to come, and what their future holds for them. People talk about peace, but they have been talking about that for many years and still there is nothing done. I mean if they haven’t got what they wanted by now what makes them think that they are ever going to get what they want? The bible says that the world started there, and in my own mind, that is where the world is going to end, they are never going to see eye to eye, they are always going to be fighting, and I really feel that the best way for all of us to survive this conflict, is to stay out of it, let them destroy themselves, and after it is all done we can go in and clean up the mess, and start over again.
Members, we have to face it, it is impossible that this thing is even going to get better, and that has been proven so many times over that it just isn’t even conceivable that there will ever be peace, it is never going to happen and no matter what any of us think, not one country in this world can make a change, this just goes to show you, the world is so messed up, that most of us walk around with blinders, thinking that nothing could ever happen to us, why worry about it, why should we care. I just can’t think of any thing that could cause these people to stop fighting.
I am sure that there are good people in these countries, just like you and I, and they want the same things as we want, but maybe in a different way. I just feel that there is so much to take in, so much to do and not enough time to do it in. These people are the ones that are going to destroy the world. Here is one for you and think hard about this one. What do you think would happen if some of these countries had a Nuke of their own to use? Do you think that they would just let it sit there? Nope! The first chance they had they would completely destroy who ever they are mad at, and it would happen so fast that there isn’t anything anyone can could do about it.
I am so sure, and know down deep in my heart that we are just about to see the end of this world as we know it, and things are going to start getting a lot worse then what we can ever imagine, and yes, peace is possible, but how can you talk about peace to people who want nothing more then to destroy themselves, and think that if they kill thousands of people that they are going to live in paradise. I know that you might feel down deep inside that this might not affect you, but I am telling you, the war of all wars has been building up for many years, and I think that we are about to see world destruction on a totally different level, and it is just a matter of time before these people get their hands on the big bombs, and when that day comes, where do you want to be?
I dont know that I would take such a glum outlook on life. Wars happen, and wars in the middle east happen. And you can bet that even when this one is sorted out, there will be another simmering somewhere else. Should we panic? I dont think so... Should we support peace and what is right? of course - but there lies the drama... everyone has their own opinion as to what is right, and hence, we have a war ;)
Quote from: Techdomain on July 21, 2006, 12:10:17 PM
I dont know that I would take such a glum outlook on life. Wars happen, and wars in the middle east happen. And you can bet that even when this one is sorted out, there will be another simmering somewhere else. Should we panic? I dont think so... Should we support peace and what is right? of course - but there lies the drama... everyone has their own opinion as to what is right, and hence, we have a war ;)
I totally understand what you are saying my friend, yes there is always going to be war and that is just human nature. Am I worried? Heck YEAH, because this affects the whole world! Do I think they are going to sort it out? Well if they haven’t done so over the past thousand years, what makes us think it is going to happen now? But anyway, yes you are right, and I see your point.
It is indeed a mess over there - why can't (we all) just get along? :'(
Quotewhy can't (we all) just get along?
Because the oil is there!! and we (the west) are going to get it one way or another. Right or wrong.
This is just my opinion but the NEWS is just propaganda and lies.
My theroy is this is all planned to see where the "west" (Israel also being part of the west) stand with Syria, if they(Syria) join in then they will be bombed to death - Israel on one side - the US (Iraq) on the other, both have nukes, if they dont then they have joined "the club" and all attention can then be turned to Iran.
Right now Iran cant be pushed too far because that leaves the US(Iraq) between Iran and Syria.
And Robert I wouldnt worry too much about it yet....its far from over, Israel didnt just call up its reserves for nothing, and once they been used up, then will be the time to panic as George W will be sending you your call up papers :) If not for the middle east then expect a holiday in N Korea in the not to distant future.
Good old Team America - World Police :)
If the west (the US) attacks Syria they [the US] get it from both sides, Iran and Syria. Then other Arab/Middle eastern countries join in.
This trouble between Israel and Lebanon suits G. Dubya Bush to a tee. It suits his agenda, without being directly involved. Bush is letting Israel do his dirty work for him.
Did anyone else notice there are only 2 countries refusing to sign the UN request for an imediate ceasefire? The US (Dubya) and The UK (his puppydog Blair). Why would they not want an end to the bloodshed? Why is Bush waiting until next week before Condi pays her visit?
There's much more to this than we are being told. I feel the sooner Bush and Blair are removed from power by their own people, the safer this world would be. I think they are 2 of the most dangerous people on the planet.
QuoteIf the west (the US) attacks Syria they [the US] get it from both sides, Iran and Syria.
Yes, so use Israel to attack Lebanon and prevoke Syria. The US need Syria to attack to get the backing of the UN and access to some "free" troops. If Syria doesnt take the bait (they know the consequences if they do) then they are much less of a threat. Then Iran here we come..
QuoteI feel the sooner Bush and Blair are removed from power
It cant happen soon enough :) the thing is the muppets that replace them will signed up members of the Global economy/world police club as well.
Odd. you might want to read my latest book
http://manichols7.com/forum/index.php/board,43.0.html
Marian..
QuoteGasoline was frozen at $4.75 a galleon, just $1.25 short of minimal wage
A bargin...it already costs min wage here :)
Quotewe now had a woman president.
Pity Condis on the other side..as shes the next one :)
Now did at all happen? You did rely on Fox News - the Ultimate propaganda channel to keep you upto date :)
:) :)
Ahh, so it was you reading it. It is fiction of course and it is not completed. We will disagree on Fox. ;)
As this is my story as I think it might happen, it really doesn't matter where or who I received my information.
But what is happening now, is an eye opener no matter what your politics or religion is.
Thanks for reading it.
I spoke too soon. Condi is going over on Sunday. BUT [there's always a but] she is going to Rome to discuss the rebuilding of Lebanon!! More contracts for Haliburton??
i cant believe they bombed a humanatarian aid package going to the people in palestine today
its barbaric - now the aid agencies are being forced to stay out
That is just the way war goes... people really expect to much. if you are bombing/attacking an area, and civillians get hurt, then that is just the nature of war.
in the end,
smart bombs arent
friendly fire isnt
and the only way to avoid it is not to be there.
Very good topic and everyone has their own outlook on this issue and again that is great! I do think that for some reason unknown to me, I just feel that maybe some people got the wrong idea, I am not worried that the war is going to erupt into a 3rd world war, not just yet anyway, and I am surly not worried about being drafted to go to war, no I just feel that for the better part we are going to see a lot worse then we all have ever seen as time goes by. Someone said, â€Ã...“War is War and there is nothing anyone can do about thatâ€Ã, Well, yes that may be true, but what happens when war breaks out? People die, for no reason, and as long as it doesn’t happen in your part of the world, why should you care?
I totally get that there isn’t a lot we can do about war, it does happen and if the world was a perfect place, I still think that people would disagree with one another, as I said, it is human nature to destroy ourselves, and this goes for every day life. I once was told that in order for people to get along everyone would have to agree on ever issue in life, and that my friends are really impossible. I see so many times where people just get hurt, and they can’t deal with others saying anything about them, or making up stories, and I think and I am not sure on this, but I also feel that for some reason our world is messed up mainly because most of us have no clue about other cultures.
We all come from different walks of life, and some of us come from different cultures, and you cannot judge a person by this. I once told a friend of mine, â€Ã...“You live in another part of the world, your thinking is different then mine, your country is different then mine, and some of your laws are different, but there is one thing we both have in common and that is we are human, and we feel, and think, in the same wayâ€Ã,Â. So what makes us different from each other? Culture, up bringing, and difference of opinions, we only see what we want to see, and only hear what we want to hear, yet that would mean that we all are on the same page.
Understanding ones culture is how we can begin to make the world a better place, and when it comes to a person’s culture and how they were raised, only then can we really understand why this person is the way that they are. I know that many of you might not agree with me, and might not understand what it is that I am trying to say, but that is me, and I feel this way, and that is why I never look down on anyone. I truly try to understand, but if I don’t know I always ask the question, and that is better the guessing.
I know that the press makes things a lot worse then what they are, and also at the same time all of our governments, will do anything to withhold all the truth. I just cannot agree with anyone that this is a huge plan to wipe out the Middle East because of Oil; there is no logic in that. I mean, if I thought for one moment that was true, I would then see it differently, but on the other hand, I never believe what I hear, I only believe what I see with my own eyes. Right now what I am seeing with my own eyes, is fact, and the fact is that the Middle East is only going to get worse, and it isn’t just because I have heard this, it is just a deep gut feeling that I have, something is about to happen that is going to affect us all, but I just can’t put my finger on it just yet.
I truly hope that some of you were right, there is no need to worry and everything is going to be fine. Maybe if life was like a Hollywood Movie, with a happy ending, then many I could not worry at all, but this is reality, not some made up movie. We are in for the ride of our lives.
It is so odd that what is happening now is so similar to what I say in my book.Ã, I thank eeek for reading it and as I said it is not finished.Ã, Its title is the Second Coming, a title I may change later and I may do rewrites but basically it is how I want it.Ã,Â
I am writing in a journal like manner, a middle-aged grandmotherââ,¬â,,¢s perspective on world events and how it relates to her life in rural North Carolina, USA.Ã, In my book no nation, not even the USA or religion is/will be spared.
I am attempting to point out just how much the three religions are alike, probably more so than any of them will admit. That the three evolved from the same roots as did all of man kind.
We all have one common foe, he works from within our most powerful governments/people/religions and he delights in our turmoil.Ã, He wrings his hands in glee, for he thinks he is winning, his biggest deception is making the world believe that there is no God no Satan.
Eeek, for you I may change my news source, you have pointed out to me that I am taking a side, which was not my intention.Ã, So I will invent a non-existence agency for my news.Ã, My intent is not to turned people off before they read what the out come might be.
Also, to say there is hope, there can be peace but we will never have it this way and Man is unfit to rule himself.Ã, He was never meant to do so.
I see what your saying.
There are good people all over the world who just want to get on with things - that'll be most of them.
But good people dont make leaders because to be a leader, in the west especially, you must be driven by power, $$$ and greed.
The governments main aims are power and control - control the pesents ( you and me ) while getting rich..you need cash to keep the power.
The best form of control is FEAR, this could be anything, fear of god - the church has used this for ever to control the masses - not near as good as it used to be but the vatician is lined with gold :)
Fear of guns -communism - worked/still works and the kremlin is also lined with gold.
The west doesn’t need such drastic measures as we’ve all been conditioned that the $ÂÃ,£ is god, fear of having less cash works just fine. Fear that if you speak out at work you’ll loose your job, fear that and immigrant will work for less and you’ll be made redundant, fear that you kids are not dressed in the same gear as next doors kids, fear of no oil so the lights will go out fear petrol will rise in price fear of everything that is going to hit you in the pocket. All this fear keeps you under state control...you do your daily robot life, get up, work, come home, eat, sleep, in the few spare hours you have "your leisure time" you pour your hard earned cash back in to the pot, everything costs something, ready for next week. I’ll not go in to the billions of dollars owed to credit card companies â€ââ,¬Å" now your really caught in the circle ïÂÅ
When people want/expect more leisure that’s bad, if you have time to play you have time to think and control is lost â€Ã...“theyâ€Ã, wouldn’t want that. So prices need to go up so you spend more time at work and have less free time, or at least spend your free time worrying about where your next $ is coming form. Oil being the price controller, get the oil prices up! That takes care of the lower class, they can’t even afford to shit now.
The middle class is harder to control, they have some spare $$, best way to get to them â€ââ,¬Å" threaten their way of life!! A few terrorist attacks, by ex CIA agent Bin Laden, later and they are all behind you. You just need a war to back it up, so lets create one in the middle east. Why? They have oil, oil = money, money = power and you wouldn’t want the Arabs having power!!! We [the west] don’t really need the oil yet, but at least they [the arabs] don’t have it, and it keeps oil prices high/poor under control/generates $$ for Haliburton.[US government]
But all is ok in Iraq, Iraq now belongs to Halliburton and its people are being forced/brain washed in to joining the Corporate America lifestyle. Regularly quoted â€Ã...“win the hearts and minds of the peopleâ€Ã,Â.
There’s a much bigger picture than what you can see on the propaganda machine, this is all well planned. The timing says it all, new Iraq government is sorted [US puppet installed] its not perfect but the brain washing is working. The good people of Iraq have accepted it and just want to get on with life, they have been promised the earth if they go along â€ââ,¬Å" all supplied by Halliburton . Less troops are needed in Iraq but there’s no point in shipping them back to the US/UK and paying them for doing nothing. There’s oil=money=power in Iran but Syria needs to be tamed first!
You watch for â€Ã...“win the hearts and minds of the peopleâ€Ã, Ã¢â‚¬Ã...“global economyâ€Ã, and the not been mentioned for a while â€Ã...“new world orderâ€Ã,Â
Quotesomething is about to happen that is going to affect us all
Yes - more control - more camaras - more ID cards - more Internet censorship - more police - more Black helicopters - more innocent people shot 7 times in the head with illegal hollow point bullets.
The Catholic Church is the most powerful government on this Earth,Ã, I do not consider it a religion. Too much evil has been done in the name of religion.Ã, This is not God's world, it is Satan's and he told Christ so in the wilderness and Christ did not deny the fact.
QuoteEeek, for you I may change my news source, you have pointed out to me that I am taking a side, which was not my intention.
Probably get more truth from a factious news company. The real ones are all in it for what suits them, which is not news!. I used to watch BBC news but since they broke the David Kelly WMD story things have changed. The BBC got threatened about loosing its licence fee, Greg Dyke got "pushed" and the news follows government guide lines, its all just fear propaganda now :)
QuoteAlso, to say there is hope, there can be peace but we will never have it this way and Man is unfit to rule himself. He was never meant to do so.
I'm not a religious person, and God ?? well? dont know about that, but theres nothing wrong with the basic outline - do unto others and the rest of it :)
To me the root of all evil is human GREED !!
Quote from: eeek on July 22, 2006, 11:43:50 AM
When people want/expect more leisure that’s bad, if you have time to play you have time to think and control is lost â€Ã...“theyâ€Ã, wouldn’t want that. So prices need to go up so you spend more time at work and have less free time, or at least spend your free time worrying about where your next $ is coming form. Oil being the price controller, get the oil prices up! That takes care of the lower class, they can’t even afford to shit now.
The middle class is harder to control, they have some spare $$, best way to get to them â€ââ,¬Å" threaten their way of life!! A few terrorist attacks, by ex CIA agent Bin Laden, later and they are all behind you. You just need a war to back it up, so lets create one in the middle east. Why? They have oil, oil = money, money = power and you wouldn’t want the Arabs having power!!! We [the west] don’t really need the oil yet, but at least they [the arabs] don’t have it, and it keeps oil prices high/poor under control/generates $$ for Haliburton.[US government]
Whoa! Now here is a person that is seeing this whole thing for what it is for!!!!!.
I just don’t get it, and is just really ticks me off that people like us have to pay for the high price of gas to support the middle and upper classes. Me? I don’t see myself as any class, I am working and making money at what I do, and it seems that the more I make the more I pay out in bills. Which I might add kind of sucks because I can’t seem to keep my own bank account built up to put away for a rainy day.
Not too long ago a very close friend of mine and his wife came over to my house for a visit, and they had just bought a new house that they share with their 3 children, and both of them work, but don’t have the best of paying jobs, they make enough to just get by, and I mean they just get by. With gas prices being so high as it is, they are really hurting for cash, and one of them were forced to quit their job because it was to far away for them to afford to pay for gas, and this right here is a problem, not just for these people, but for all other people that can’t afford to fill up their gas tank. Not only that, but seeing that our gas prices have gone up, it seems that everything else has gone up, natural gas? What is up with this? How come when gas goes up, natural gas goes up ever higher? And it all comes down to what you said, in a round about way.
Oil is control, and once you can control the people, you get richer, while the lower suffers to make ends meet.
Very good comment!!!
Bottom line....War is Hell..
I have had my faith in my God shaken to the point of beginning to think that there is no God and that this life is all there is. That the good will not be rewarded and that the evil will not be punish. We have our Heaven and Hell here on Earth. When we die, we are gone. We returned to the dust and maybe if we are lucky we will be consumed by some plant as fertilizer and maybe have another existence in that manner. So distressing to think like that.
What changed my mind? Nothing big. Only playing with a spirit board years ago as a young adult, I was a disbeliever in the spirit world and so when I was challenge to give it a try, I said. â€ËÅ"why not?’ and this board began answering my questions that only I knew the answers too, I was stunned beyond reality. Something was controlling the piece and I knew it was not me.
To believe in God, I had to first believe in the Devil.
QuoteTo believe in God, I had to first believe in the Devil.
Thats a good point... My mum always said to me that to not believe in God takes just as much faith as believing - if not more.
and Crip - yes, war is hell.
I certainly have no fear of being drafted - after all, its hard to get drafted to something you are already in!
Where are you?
Oh man..
There dropping 500 pound bombs now killing innocent children..The UN needs to ask for a cease fire now.
Quote from: crip on July 22, 2006, 07:15:00 PM
Oh man..
There dropping 500 pound bombs now killing innocent children..The UN needs to ask for a cease fire now.
What would be the point if the US and UK refuse to sign the mandate? It was on the news earlier that the US supports what the Israelis are doing, and even assisting in some way with munitions supplies.
So true gerrymo,
it's bad man, really bad.. I can't even watch it on TV no more, kinda makes me ill ..
War is just a big bog up no matter which on it is, war is the powerful playing soldiers in there rooms like little kids..
shame we cant just all get along
soldiers just do as they are told, and try to do the best job that they can in an ugly mess. most soldiers do not and would not kill innocents, any more then any civillian would. having said that, you are using weapons that are fairly destructive, and weapons that are driven by the inaccuracies of a human - so there are going to be problems.
Ideally though, you wouldnt be there to start with, and we would all be smiling and happy... imagine (sound like john lennon now) if the money that was spent on defence was instead spent on health, education, crime and welfare... wouldnt life be pretty grand then
im guessing in the end it is all down the to equipment provided, countries like isreal definatly dont spend like usa on techno weapons and probably dont even use the same tech.. that probably why these stray bombs are hitting innocents, just watching the news 400 people out of jobs because a rocket hit a bottle factory..... that sucks and wrecks the economy off the surrounding area :\
actually, I think you would find that isreal is one of the most advanced on earth - they are under constant threat, well supplied (both by thier own industry and the US) and they are not afraid to modify something if it will suit them better that way (eg their humvee's, their merkerva tank)
They are often scared, and often attacked. I imagine that if I or my country were in a similar position, our response would be the same, if not worse.
if that is so then why are all there civilian places being hit.. is the US selling them the fault rickets or something... it will only end in more innocent deaths until it is resolved anyway.... but i can see why they want to invade just that.. welll.. too many innocents have already been causlt t poor military comanding and not enough off the enemy have perished...
we can only hope and prey for those unfortuate to have suffered th fait off a swift exit...................
War is hell! Why? For the very reasons you just stated. I recall a saying, all's fair in love and war. Some times I think the same can be said about keeping the peace. I am of the opinion that the best defense is a good offense. If you bow down to a bully, he will only continue to bully you. Stand up to him and he will run and think twice about attacking you again!
You may think that all that is occurring in the Middle East is over oil but that is only a small fraction of it. They have it, we want it and both they and we will do what needs to be done in our/their own best interest. To control the oil fields is to control the economies of the world. It is a power struggle; it has always been so, from time eternal.
Israel lies on land that was given to them by God. I say given but in actuarially they took the promise land, it was inhabited by heathen, gentiles. They were ordered by God to kill every living man, woman, child and beast. Read it for yourself in your Bible. We would not recognize the God of the Old Testament as the God we worship today.
The United States will become involved in the conflict there, it has no choice, only it will be of little use for the war is going to escalate, it will not be stopped, not by any government on this Earth.
Our allies will become our enemies and our enemies will become our allies. Recall WWII. The United Nations has no power, only what is allowed to it. It will fall apart; it never worked the way it should have to begin with.
I feel deeply for the civilians who will perish and suffer in this conflict but such is the nature of war. It is so you cannot recognize the enemy for he does not wear the garb of a soldier, and he hides in the homes of citizens. It is he that puts the people in harm’s way for he uses them as a shield.
Yes, war is hell.
QuoteIt is so you cannot recognize the enemy for he does not wear the garb of a soldier, and he hides in the homes of citizens. It is he that puts the people in harm’s way for he uses them as a shield.
that is the crux of it all, and the reason that innocent civillians are being killed. It has nothing to do with inaccuracies at all.
The reason that such tactics are tried? simply because it works. Take Vietnam as a case in point - the enemy hid amongst the civillians, and in doing so beat a much more powerful military force. they did that in two ways. Firstly, made it impossible for effective military tactics because the military didnt know who to attack, and where the attack was coming from. Secondly, and possibly more importantly, they turned public opinion against the military, and the action in Vietnam because innocent civillians were killed.
Iraq is in danger of goin the same way, and if/when it does, it becomes an almost impossible struggle. this is why terrorist groups continue to use the same tactics - and why "innocent" civillians will always get killed, and in higher proportions then in wars of the past.
thanks your opinions where noted...
im just glad we all agree
the war should have been stopped before it started :\
Quote from: Techdomain on July 23, 2006, 01:42:27 AM
QuoteIt is so you cannot recognize the enemy for he does not wear the garb of a soldier, and he hides in the homes of citizens. It is he that puts the people in harm’s way for he uses them as a shield.
that is the crux of it all, and the reason that innocent civillians are being killed. It has nothing to do with inaccuracies at all.
The reason that such tactics are tried? simply because it works. Take Vietnam as a case in point - the enemy hid amongst the civillians, and in doing so beat a much more powerful military force. they did that in two ways. Firstly, made it impossible for effective military tactics because the military didnt know who to attack, and where the attack was coming from. Secondly, and possibly more importantly, they turned public opinion against the military, and the action in Vietnam because innocent civillians were killed.
Iraq is in danger of goin the same way, and if/when it does, it becomes an almost impossible struggle. this is why terrorist groups continue to use the same tactics - and why "innocent" civillians will always get killed, and in higher proportions then in wars of the past.
Not quite true. They hit civillian areas, as that's where Hezbollah operate from. Sad, but true.
QuoteThey hit civillian areas, as that's where Hezbollah operate from
Right..they hit them because they want to hit them. its an easy excuse. blow up a school - yeh thats ok ther was Hezbollah in it. They blow up tv stations and mobile phone masts because Hezbollah use them, but it ok for Condi to do the same.
QuoteThe Bush administration made an emergency request to Congress yesterday for a seven-fold increase in funding to mount the biggest ever propaganda campaign against the Tehran government, in a further sign of the worsening crisis between Iran and the west.
Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, said the $75m (ÂÃ,£43m) in extra funds, on top of $10m already allocated for later this year, would be used to broadcast US radio and television programmes into Iran, help pay for Iranians to study in America and support pro-democracy groups inside the country.
Thats what they do..blow up anything they like and say "but the baddies were using it" its dead easy for them. Your all convinced theres a Hezbollah behind every tree and just go alomg with the bullshit.
Whats a Hezbollah? Whats a Hamas? They are people who think different to Bush and Blair!!! so must be removed.
Isreal, US, UK and most other western countries dont give a shit if ALL the people in Lebanon, Syria or Iran drop dead tomorrow there just in the way anyway.
Think back..the IRA did the same thing in the UK but nobody bombed the shit out of Nothern Ireland did they?
well yes... the IRA did.
I will make this brief, this conversation is fruitless. We will never see with one eye. We have our own agendas and they are polluted with our own personal circumstances.
Unless we are willing to donned a uniform and go into battle ourselves to support our schemas, it is time to cease and disperse.
Enough said, my last post on the subject. Good luck to all.
you also have to remeber though that we do give a monkies about lebanon as we used to own it and have alot off british nationals over there..
another thing this counrty is known for its aid aroud the world... like with the sunamis... we gave the most money in charity and are like the smalliest country in the world who gave aid!
who are "we"?
anyway... I have had enough too. we can all agree that war is inherantly bad, but is an unfortunate evil that sometimes needs to be. I have been there, and I dont care for it much.
Actually, Eeek, a large % of Americans and Brits want Bush and Blair removed from power ASAP. It would make the world a safer place for all of us. Both of them are in the top 5 most dangerous people on the planet IMO. Bush because he seems to think he's some kind of saviour of the world, and Blair for following on like a puppy.
sorry we is the breat british folks
and yes blair and bush i dont think will stand another term in government.... they are loosing large voting comunities by the seconds
Of course Bush will not be re-elected, this is his last term, 8 years only, remember?
I do not know about Blair.
But be careful, our next leaders may be worst!
Yes when i said the uk/us dont care, i meant the government not the people :) Though there is quite a few in the UK that dont even know where Lebanon is !! And even more who can be bought off with some shifty handout - Labor - if we win all pensioners get ÂÃ,£200.
I know the uk donated ÂÃ,£m to relief efforts, then what tossers like The Sir Lanka government taxed the aid !!
Its the Capitalist way everybodys in it for they money and the power it buys. It doesnt matter how you get it, war, murder, kill, cheat, exploit, fraud, $50m worth of bomb sales to Israel - people are expendable - theres billions of them!
QuoteActually, Eeek, a large % of Americans and Brits want Bush and Blair removed from power ASAP
Not enough of them m8, dumb and dumber are still there, and they know the games up so its do it now and f**k the consequences. Its all part of the master plan!
Theres still a couple of years to brainwash and buy off the voters...and both the UK and US now have laws where during a war...NO ELECTIONS..all they have to do is keep it going and they both stay in power!!
Lets just hope theres some truth in the sayings "what goes around comes around" and "the bigger you are the harder you fall"
But it sure aint finished..give it a few days yet..Syria and Iran are going to be dragged in to this one way or another!
The boats are on their way to Israel from the US with "The weapons, including five-tonne laser-guided bombs, are part of a sale signed last year"
Bit of an overkill to fight a handfull of arabs with ak47s and rpg's dont you think!
They have a couple of years for Blair. But in Scotland, they only have a few months before the Scottish elections. Methinks they'll get their butts kicked this time round (they only have a coalition as it is). It will be guaranteed if the UK gets dragged into yet another conflict by the US Government.
I do know its not the people of either the US or UK, and that it's the goverments that have the agendas.
Quote from: Marian on July 23, 2006, 01:46:31 PM
Of course Bush will not be re-elected, this is his last term, 8 years only, remember?
I do not know about Blair.
But be careful, our next leaders may be worst!
i have no idea i am english.. we dont have a president we have Royalty
Quote from: carnage on July 23, 2006, 03:30:59 PM
Quote from: Marian on July 23, 2006, 01:46:31 PM
Of course Bush will not be re-elected, this is his last term, 8 years only, remember?
I do not know about Blair.
But be careful, our next leaders may be worst!
i have no idea i am english.. we dont have a president we have Royalty
But we have Blair who thinks he's a president. Perhaps HM will step in and tell him to cool it. Somehow I doubt it though.
I have become so disillusion that I plan not to vote this go around.
Quote from: Marian on July 23, 2006, 03:42:26 PM
I have become so disillusion that I plan not to vote this go around.
isnt that just burying your head in the sand? not voting is not having a voice imho. having said that, in aus we have to vote :P
I fear that the war will continue for many more years to come even if they dont stay in power
With the blind slaughter of so many all across the globe many will emerge destroyed individuals without any hope and with hatered in their hearts and so the circle will come back.
Unfortunately the seed has been sown and now the crop will be very bad in the future.....
sad but true (in my opinion)
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wow thats really good!!
that would do nicely on my page :D ok im off to work on my own version :D
Quote from: Techdomain on July 23, 2006, 11:24:48 PM
Quote from: Marian on July 23, 2006, 03:42:26 PM
I have become so disillusion that I plan not to vote this go around.
isnt that just burying your head in the sand? not voting is not having a voice imho. having said that, in aus we have to vote :P
I know, it's a cop out. But you think, what's one vote? It won't make that much different. But in my heart I know it can. We have two years before elections, and let's see what is offered. If one is as bad/good as the other, then it won't make a different.
Quote from: Techdomain on July 23, 2006, 11:24:48 PM
Quote from: Marian on July 23, 2006, 03:42:26 PM
I have become so disillusion that I plan not to vote this go around.
isnt that just burying your head in the sand? not voting is not having a voice imho. having said that, in aus we have to vote :P
I personally think that voting is a waste of time, but yet I still vote. I guess the reason I do so is mainly because it is my duty, but then again, I think that some how it is all worked out some place and to give people the right to vote is just a way of giving the people a voice, but without the sound. I guess this might not make sense to some of you, but I just feel that if everyone was to cast a vote for one person, the other person would win if that was the plan, and our votes don’t’ really count anyway, it just shuts us up.
I have read a lot of all the post in this topic, and I have to honestly say that just a few of you are on the right track, while a few are blowing the old conspiracy theory which is totally normal. This topic was a good one, and I would like to hear from more then just the few people who have made a comment. Of course I do feel that maybe this is a subject that shouldn’t have been brought into such a great site, it is very depressing, and can cause problems with others whom might not agree with others.
We have all been treading lightly ;)
Quote from: Marian on July 24, 2006, 12:32:51 AM
Quote from: Techdomain on July 23, 2006, 11:24:48 PM
Quote from: Marian on July 23, 2006, 03:42:26 PM
I have become so disillusion that I plan not to vote this go around.
isnt that just burying your head in the sand? not voting is not having a voice imho. having said that, in aus we have to vote :P
I know, it's a cop out. But you think, what's one vote? It won't make that much different. But in my heart I know it can. We have two years before elections, and let's see what is offered. If one is as bad/good as the other, then it won't make a different.
You would be surprised at how many people feel that same way that you do, and it isn't a cop out, it is a choice, and your choice is respectable, and no one will look down on you for not doing it.
You cant complain if you dont vote ;)
You have chosen to accept what other have voted for.
That's funny, because I did vote for Bush, twice. Personally I think he is doing a fine job and I do not think Blair is a USA puppet. Things look bad now because no one not even I anticipated war and all that has come about. But I should not have been surprised because I know where we are in the scheme of things and we have been warned to be on the look out. We weren't! WE got clobbered again with our pants down. If I personally was attack on my my person such as the USA was on 9/11, I would come out swinging with no holds barred.
And so would have any other person, or country. Of course it looks wrong, barbaric, terrible to everyone else, you weren't attack. Walk a mile in our shoes before you critized. As being called dumb or dumber by 'you', you need to do a reality check.
I see, play the 9/11 card :)
Whats 9/11 got to do with Israel bombing Lebonan?
Freedom of speech .. I can call anyone I like "dumb or dumber" King B Liar hasn't managed to take that away..but hes working on it!
I knew it would end in tears.
:)
Let say someone , a friend, a stranger walks up to you and punches you in the face, are you going to allow that?Ã, Maybe let him strike you again.Ã, Are you going to take that?Ã, Maybe you wouldn't fight back if you were harm but what if it was your children? What then?Ã, You can only take so much before you will see red and you will fight back.Ã, A mouse corned can inflict a mighty bite.Ã,Â
My point is Isreal was attacked and her attackers hide behind the skirts of women and the small bodies of children, is not Hesaboa (please forgive the spelling) doing this?Ã, Did not Isreal drop leaflets warning the populace to leave.Ã, You can only do so much, the final results are, if need be you will do what is necessary to protect your children first.
Isreal is a very small nation, it is surrounded by those that would blast it off the face of the Earth if they could.Ã, Isreal has the right to exsist.Ã, I have a right to exsist.Ã, You have the right to exsist.Ã, And if I feel my right for exsisting is threaten what do you think I should do?Ã, Lay down and die?Ã, Not yet my friend, not yet.
Isreal is only a small coutry in size. Through National Service, they potentially have a massive army that is well trained, and well equiped. And don't forget they have Nukes and the capability to lauch them.
And dont be so naive to think that Blair is not a puppy of Bush. Whatever Bush wants, he gets.
Look at extradtion. All the US has to do to get ANYONE from the UK extradided to the US is ask. But when the boot is on the other foot, there are court cases, appeals, etc to go through, and that takes months/years.
Look at Iraq. 10s of 1000s already dead, more being killed every day. Where are these WMDs that Bush convinced Blair were a serious risk? They dont exist. It is a war for Oil and contracts for Haliburton. Are the Iraqi people any better off? Not one bit.
Bush is a danger to every person on this planet with his "I'm going to police the world and save it" attitude.
There will be a day when you will be thankful you had two strong men in office when this came about. Your views are to me lopsided. And rather you realized it or not, weapons were found, but none of the liberal media/press told you about it. They were not nuclear but chemical.
It is a good thing Israel does have nuclear weapons; it is the only thing that has kept their enemies at bay. To their credit they have not use them, but I promise you, any of the countries surrounding them would have already done so.
I will not defend the subject that oil is at the basis of some of the conflict in which the USA and England and others are involved. Oil runs this world today we all know it. A country that runs on fossil fuel will always be in debt to those that have it.
OPEC forces our hand when they raise their prices and cut production and are you going to tell me that is not for profit? They hold the winning hand, they know it, we know it, you should know it. All we are doing is calling their bluff.
Now, to that I and will admit too. But even so, we still have the right as does any other country on this Earth, to life, freedom and the pursuit of happiness. United States police the world? I have heard that of course, I wish we didn't have to. What would happen if we did not get involved? What are your thoughts on that?
I think the United States should forget the oil fields and concentrate here in finding our own resources. We have them, but the environmentalist protest, well you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either gas gurgling Americans should give up some of their luxuries or be willing to sacrifice some land to have their/our own sources. Every time this is brought up in congress, it gets voted down.
Believed it or not, our President does not have as much power as you might think and he only has eight years to try and do what he said he would do. Dictators have as long as they live or until a stronger force come along and take it away from them.
I can only say I am loyal American and glad that I live here.
Oh yes, don’t you guys just love arguing with me? ;)
Quote from: eeek on July 24, 2006, 03:17:16 PM
I see, play the 9/11 card :)
Whats 9/11 got to do with Israel bombing Lebonan?
Freedom of speech .. I can call anyone I like "dumb or dumber" King B Liar hasn't managed to take that away..but hes working on it!
I knew it would end in tears.
My goodness are you crying?
QuoteMy goodness are you crying?
not me :) I like a good argument ;)
I just see that reply about 9/11 as a classic bush/blair spin response. Its been used to justify everything since the day it happened with a bit of 7/7 thrown for good measure. ( obviously if you have a terror attack, we HAVE to have one too :) )
This Israel/Lebanon thing has nothing to do with any of that other than the west class Hezbollah and Hamas as terrorists same as al-Qaeda (who used to be our buddies, "freedom fighters" in Soviet controlled Afghanistan and were well supplied with US weapons). You could say Hamas has tried - relatively unheard of for a long time, then won a democratic election, ( :D :D maybe a lot of Palestinians stayed home that day and didn’t vote ;D ) but still no one will listen to their side.
Both the US and the UK knew the Chemical weapons Iraq had - they were supplied by both of them :) to fight Iran the last time round. They also knew he didn't have any left
And the both know the weapons Israel has - The US being their main supplier and their Nuke technology supplied by the UK way back in the 50s [I think it was].
All for $$ and power and to suit the agenda of the time.
As for the Bush/B Liar puppy thing
http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1041562006
Read in to it what you wish...my opinion..B Liar is more or less told go home it nothing to do with you Condis going to sort it sometime..maybe..
B Liar is incapable of saying NO. If Bush says jump B Liar jumps.
All of that is not news to me; I make no apologies for President Bush in a moment when he thought his words were private. He is not the first world leader this has happened to and he will not be the last. I really think the press should find more relative news to discuss other than that Bush uttered an expletive. I have uttered a few myself and I am sure you have cut loose at times. You probably would like to now.
I think I said, and I know you read my book where I said the same thing, allies will become enemies and vice versa. I think France and England are the best examples of this.
Do you really give the President of the Untied State that much authority? I am surprise that you think that highly of him.
All that you say about Russia and Afghanistan is true but as you say what comparative does it have to world events today? It can not be undone and all is 20/20 hindsight anyway.
I bet if you knew that you would have an accident today that you would not get into the car, right? Same situation, different circumstances.
But all of this is for naught, as much as all of us would like for this to stop, it’s not going too. Israel has no choice. Their air war is not working, it is having disastrous outcome and the bombs are still falling on Israel. They are going to have to fight a ground war. Go house to house to flush out Hezbollah, many more are going to die and somewhere in this mix nuclear weapons will come into play and when they do, the whole world will pay a dear price. We will return to the 1800s as far as our technology goes.
Can you go back a complete century to live?
I guess I better put in my $.02...
QuoteWhat does 9/11 have to do with Israel bombing Lebanon?
Well last time I watched the news pretty much all the bombing, wars, and attacks were instigated by terrorists, so I think it has a lot to do with 9/11. These terrorist attacks won't stop until they're sent to meet their maker.
While I agree that Bush hasn't made all the right decisions I don't think there's any President who could have been handed what he has and done any better. I mean look at our economy. In my state, we have
never had such a surplus of work. Amazing to me that the US can be in such a state at war and everything yet, still have an economy going stronger than ever.
I really don't care if they found any WMD's or not. But if you for one minute think that Sadam a man who has killed millions of people didn't have them I think your very deluded. How easy would it be to smuggle them into another country....
I think that using Oil as an exuse of this war is a sad one. If that was the case why am I still paying 2.80 for a gallon of gas and why has the oil companies reported the biggest profits EVER!?
I also think that Tony Blair is a man that stands on his own. I've read quite a few articles from him. I read one that came out about a year after the war in Iraq about why we can't give up on the war on terrorism and why Iraq shouldn't be abandoned. I'll give Tony some props, he's one of the most intelligent Leaders in this world if you ask me. Heck, I'd rather have him than Bush... lol
As for the death toll in Iraq I only have one thing to say. Considering how long we've been at war I think the numbers are incredible as far as comparing it to something like Vietnam. If the terrorists would step out from behind the civilians there wouldn't be such a casualty problem with innocent people. If you don't think Iraq is better off I'm sorry you don't see the truths about this war. I personally know quite a few people who have gone and returned from Iraq. Not a single one of them has said such a thing. All I heard was stories of Iraqi people thanking them for the things we've done. While the press reports it's not so....
Mightly good 2 cents. :up:
QuoteFreedom of speech .. I can call anyone I like "dumb or dumber" King B Liar hasn't managed to take that away..but hes working on it!
lol... the freedom of speech card. isnt that a good one. questions - does defamation exist where you are? and before freedom of speech is played, have you stopped to consider that that isnt always a good thing?
and whatever happened to freedom of thought?
Terrorists, there lies the problem.
Define terrorists from both view points ;D Its the same thing but different sides. So who wins? The biggest bombs...
But does that make you more respected. NO or not to me it doesnt.
We all know, the US more than most, you can’t kill what you cant see, you cant beat a nation where you don’t know who the enemy is and each one is prepared to die to kill you. Unless you kill them all that is!
I know both Bush and Blair have tough jobs but real men would have stopped it before it started. The only reason not to have done so is it suits the agenda, which in my opinion :) is to test Syria, because the next target is Iran. Again doesn't impress me.
Real men who stood on the world stage and promised to stamp out poverty because it was a "hot topic" would have done so by now if it suited them but there is nothing in Africa we need so its swept under the carpet.
Real men who promised to cut CO2 emissions to save the planet would have done much more if they weren’t shit scared of the oil giants.
Real men wouldn’t have lied to the millions who voted them in to power about WMD, they would have said Sadam is a B......d were going to remove him.
Real men wouldn't sell seats in the House of Lords to their mates for millions of ÂÃ,£Ã‚Ã,£
Real men don’t go around creating enemies abroad and inciting people to hate their countries and kill their own people.
Real men wouldn’t bring in loads of new laws to remove freedom from your own people. Remove the right for the people to protest any where important and only allow 1000 at a time by prior arrangement. Allow your police to shoot innocent people using illegal hollow point bullets. Jail people for stealing electric for 5 years but child rapists get 2 years. Bring in a new ID card scheme estimated at ÂÃ,£19billion when the hospitals are so dirty people come out more diseases than when they went in. Bring in a new child databse to fingerprint and tag your children.
Real men have honesty, integrity and have at least some moral and ethical standards.
Real men would sort out their own mess before getting involved in other peoples troubles.
Real men would TALK to other nations as equals and point out the error of their ways and accept criticism of their own nations.
But that all cost $$ÂÃ,£Ã‚Ã,£ so a better planâ€Ã,¦.
Keep the price of oil high, the higher the better the more it cost the more Tax it rakes in. Make and sell bombs, guns, planes to countries you know are going to kill innocent people with them. Create a few wars to get control of more oil. Allow our companies to transfer jobs abroad because it’s more profit for the â€Ã...“fat catsâ€Ã, Exploit every 3rd world farmer we can while supermarkets make ÂÃ,£2.2 billion profit.
The pair of them are doomed... :P
does defamation exist where you are?
yip sure does :) and you get a hefty fine or jailed but that would be a tough one to prove :) who? and dumb and dumber than what? ;D
:P :P :P
Real men, stop what before it started? Aaahh, now you do want â€ËÅ"us’ to police the world. You really need to make a decision here. As I said you give a lot of power to Real Men who were elected by the people. Are you sure who would recognized a Real man if you met one? I think not.
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Real men who promised to cut CO2 emissions to save the planet would have done much more if they weren’t shit scared of the oil giants.
I see, you do want to return to the nineteenth century. I am sorry, but it is a fact of life. Tell me what you are willing to sacrifice! I wager, nothing. I do agree about the oil giants. I cannot defend them. You are including OPEC, right?
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Real men wouldn’t have lied to the millions who voted them in to power about WMD, they would have said Sadam is a B......d were going to remove him.
The people were told the truth at the time. Our congress even thought so or they would not have approved the invasion of Iraq. Our president cannot go to war without an act Congress. Thankful am I that nuclear weapons were not found. As I said, 20/20 hindsight.
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Real men wouldn't sell seats in the House of Lords to their mates for millions of ÂÃ,£Ã‚Ã,£
Well, sounds like you have a problem over there. I will add, politicians make strange bed fellows. Of course we could go back to the day of the caveman. My goodness, that’s even worst than the 1800s. Tough choice.
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Real men don’t go around creating enemies abroad and inciting people to hate their countries and kill their own people.
No, real men don’t. By creating enemies, I take this to mean that â€ËÅ"the real men’, shouldn’t stand their ground when threaten?
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Real men wouldn’t bring in loads of new laws to remove freedom from your own people. Remove the right for the people to protest any where important and only allow 1000 at a time by prior arrangement. Allow your police to shoot innocent people using illegal hollow point bullets. Jail people for stealing electric for 5 years but child rapists get 2 years. Bring in a new ID card scheme estimated at ÂÃ,£19billion when the hospitals are so dirty people come out more diseases than when they went in. Bring in a new child databse to fingerprint and tag your children.
Sounds like to me, y’alls got problems.
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Real men have honesty, integrity and have at least some moral and ethical standards.
Do you yourself have those traits? My vote went to a man that does.
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Real men would sort out their own mess before getting involved in other peoples troubles.
Don’t you know by now, that Man cannot solve his problems?
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Real men would TALK to other nations as equals and point out the error of their ways and accept criticism of their own nations.
So, you get to sit in on the summits and know who said what and how they said it. When I watch C-span, I see mostly orderly meetings, except of course Japan. That’s was like watching a hockey game. Right good sport I thought.
My, aren’t we having fun now. :2funny:
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Don’t you know by now, that Man cannot solve his problems?
Absolutely true and correct...
Quote from: eeek on July 24, 2006, 01:41:01 PM
You cant complain if you dont vote ;)
You have chosen to accept what other have voted for.
I was once told that if you don’t vote you have no right to complain! If you don’t vote you have no business talking to anyone about who has been voted into office, if you don’t vote you are not apart of the team. Personally, I am who I am, and no one is going to tell me I can’t do this or complain about this or that. Just because a person chooses not to vote doesn’t mean that they can’t voice their opinion, and concern, besides, I don’t think it really maters who is voted in the office, it still isn’t going to change the fact the middle east is totally messed up. I am also sure that our votes are not going to change that either.
so if I break that down to its basic statement, you are saying
"I didnt/dont bother to do anything because it wont make a difference, but it is my right to complain"
If my kids did that I would smack them upside the head and tell them to go and sort it out!
Now here is the proof that is needed. First off, I seem to remember our president stating a number of times, that it is POSSIBLE that Iraq has these so called WMD, and he also stated a number of times that he knew that these weapons were not in Iraq, but they had the capability of making them if they had not have stepped in. So to call him a liar? Well, I don’t see how a person can lie if they don’t really know the truth, he wasn’t there in person and was going on the information that was provided to him by the UN INTEL, and other informants. So I really don’t agree with anyone who calls Bush a liar.
Another issue that someone seemed to have missed is the fact that the war had nothing to do with what happened on 9/11, or does the conflict in the Middle East at this time, and no I don’t agree that oil is the just cause of these wars. First off, even before 9/11 happened there was already plans on removing Sodom from power, and that was going on during the Clinton administration, they were already making the plans back then and were already searching for those weapons.
What is going on in the Middle East at this time is not because of the US, or any other country that was involved in the Iraq war, These two countries who are at war now have been at war before, and someone just peed in some ones cheerio’s and this is how it all got started. So please don’t be putting the blame on to the US or Brittan, because we have nothing to do with what is going on, these people have been fighting longer then you or I have been alive. And another thing, you might be sitting home in a safe place, free from any harm at this time, but think about this, did you honestly think that the people who died in the 9/11 attacks thought that they were safe and no harm could come to them? I bet they did, and I bet there was someone just like you who told others not to worry, I am not worried, I live in the safest place on earth, and these people will never get to me. Yep, keep thinking that, because that one person that might have been there thought just that.
I don’t care where you are, anything can happen at this point, if they did it once they will do it again, and the next time we might not all be so lucky, and if you think for one second that you are that safe that have no worries in life, just think about that one person who might have thought the same way you did.
Do you honestly think that the next president that takes office is going to change the world? And everything is going to be safe, and we are not going to have to watch our backs so closely? If you think that they you are totally delusional. At this point in the world, there is nothing that is going to make life any better; we are the ones that can do that, and only us. You have to take life as it comes, and no matter what happens in life, you or not man or woman can change the world over night. So needless to say, the only true way of ending all the conflict in the world is for the world to blow up, and let evolution do its thing all over again.
People say, we must try to come up with new resources to burn, we already have! We have alternative fuels, but no one wants to pay the money to develop them, or the governments of the world would loose too much money if they did that. People all over the world always say, IF THEY WOULD DO THIS OR THAT, but it isn’t going to happen and it doesn’t matter who is president, or Queen or a leader of any country, this world is so messed up, that at this point there is really no hope for the future of our children, and shame on us all for that. I am a father, and when I look at my kids and think about what the future holds for them, it isn’t a pretty picture, and I pray that they will learn to cope with what we are leaving them with. I pray that by the time I am 80 years old, and all the old generations have died off, the ones that messed up this whole world, that our children and grand children can rebuild this world into a peaceful one, because I am telling you right now, if it keeps going on like this, all of us are going to feel the pain of the past come back and bite us. At least I can say this, it was our leaders of the world that got us into this mess, and it will be our children, and our grand children that will make the world a greater place. Because we surly can’t do it.
Boy, do you sound like me.
What I think Robert might be saying, if one is about as good as another, why bother. Sorry guys, I gotta go.
Remember them in your prayers/thoughts, and maybe something higher and smarter than we are will intervened.
Although, it is probably not exactly 'time!'
Quote from: Marian on July 24, 2006, 11:32:30 PM
My, aren’t we having fun now. :2funny:
Oh sure! anything like this can be fun, however, what makes it more fun is really getting to understand other peoples outlooks on what is going on. I really love to hear everyone and their opinions, it is what makes it so great. Think about it this way, 20 years ago, the only way we would have really known is only by what we read in a news paper or on TV. NOW! We have eachother to get through this mess. If we can come together like this in here, just think of how well we could do if everyone in the world could speak their mind openly, and without war, although we might not all agree, atleast we have eachother to keep us from pushing the button. lol
I just like digging ppl in the ribs and seeing who explodes :P
well not really. Its funny, but I agree with parts of what each of you have said, but not all... Isnt it great that we are all unique!
Quote from: Techdomain on July 25, 2006, 01:31:24 AM
I just like digging ppl in the ribs and seeing who explodes :P
well not really. Its funny, but I agree with parts of what each of you have said, but not all... Isnt it great that we are all unique!
Well, as I have always said, you need to present your opinion before someone can make a comment. I really do understand what everyone is talking about, and I get it all, but I still think that people need to understand that there are more problems then we can even see, and most of us go through life with blinders on.
I really feel that there is no point in doing anything that can't be fixed, and what is going on in the Middle East is a very good one, it can't be fixed, and it won't be fixed until everyone there is either dead or the world blows up. I don't look down on those countries, because I am not in their shoes, and I don't know what they are really going through, I feel sad for them, and feel sad for the children mostly, because they are raised in war, grow up with war, and live war each and everyday, which makes me think of my children, and seeing through their eyes what they see in the US, then I imagine what their eyes would look like if we lived in a country that had a war or people getting blown up everyday, there is a big difference if you ask me.
I think if we were all to see the world through the eyes of a child, then maybe just maybe the world would be a better place.
Warning: this post contans disturbing images of children
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U may have seen this before....Below are disturbing pictures of Israeli children sending gifts of hatred to Lebanese children in what is a systematic method of teaching children to kill others. These pictures were taken at a heavy artillery position near Kiryat Shmona close to the Lebanese border.
Disgusting? Appalling? Unreal? Outrageous?... No, just Zionism
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and the victims...
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No, just Zionism
I dont know that those pics are really needed and relevant on this site. having said that, I also dont like the blanket "just zionism"
could I put the same on 9/11 or london bombing, or any terrorism and say "just Islam"? I dont think you would appreciate that very much.
I also notice that you forget to show or mention the rockets, deaths of civillians, bus bombings and constant attacks that the Isrealis have to live with.
Nice work - but next time, how about a balanced view of the situation!
and yes... it is childish for them to be writing things on bombs - but they are children, and really have no idea of what is going on, only that they are under attack, and the bombs are somehow going to stop the attacks. That the bombs hit children on the other side has nothing to do with the children, or the "zionists", but with the fact that hezbollah (sp?) chooses to operate out of a city/urban environment for protection...
QuoteIsraeli children sending gifts of hatred to Lebanese children
the text reads "Nazrala" as in the Hezbollah leader that started this war - the child certainly isnt sending it to a child in lebanon.
"no country in the history of wars had the luxury of not hurting innocents on the enemy side when the price is missing important military targets that would lead to casualties at home."
Well you should read about the Isrealis against Zionism as well
There are loads of Rabbis and Isrealis who are against Zionism
They carry out atrocities in the name of founding a homeland for themselves and no one objects to it?
If you support Zionism you support Racism...why?
Go on CNN or BBC and read about the Aparthied roads set up...a pure example of racism in action
If you support Zionism you support supression....why?
Because their ideaology justifies taking back the 'greater isreal' by force if necessary, and greater Isreal extends all the way to Egypt as well.
So whats next, bulldoze some more houses?
Kill whoever stand in the way?
Bomb humanatarian aid packages and disallow them to reach civilians?
Bomb more cities?
The truth stands out clear from error, in the end its for you to decide :)
I am certainly not saying that I like what I see above, because I dont... I just found the statement about messages of hate to children, and also the "just zionism" to be quite ignorant. Yes I have my beliefs, but I also know that NO religion has a clean history and record, and therefore shouldnt be stereotyped based on the humans that fanatisize it.
I know that destruction and killing are not nice - but there is ALWAYS two sides to an arguement, and to try to railroad some pictures into saying what you want them to is just as bad as ignoring the fact that there is a war going on at all.
I posted the pictures since they were relevant to the thread and current events
We also have to understand that the conflict is being fueled by the 2 opposing factions who are inclined towards violence.
The victims are the poor innocent people on both sides who wish to live peacefully.
And the worst aspect of it all is that children are brainwashed on both sides to participate in their war games.
As I said, the children are the ones that will change the world, not us or anyone else. I do think that at some point in the future our children should have us all put to sleep, to put us all out of our misery. I bet if you were to ask those children why they were writing on those things they would say because my dad or mom told me too, or they might say, it gives us something to paint. Kids will be kids plain and simple.
By the way, Children learn from us, so if we hate they will hate, if we teach them the right way, they will walk the right way. (But not always) This topic was started to get the reaction of other members, I too agree that the photos could have been left out, but then again I think the poster did choose wisely, and this site has nothing to do with those photos, and this is the topic, and it is what is going on in the Middle East. Think about it this way, what if those were your children lying on the ground with their lives cut short, only because of someone’s disagreement? Would you want your children to be shown to the world?
It truly breaks my heart to see them suffer like that, and it really makes me feel good that I am safe for the time being, but then again are we really safe; could our children be the next photo that is shown to the world? I think we all should be grateful for what we have, because it is apparent that these children never stood a chance in their world that they live in, and the world they live in is hell. When I first saw those photos, my mind went straight to my children, and just this past weekend seeing their eyes as they rode amusement rides at a park, and how much fun they were having, then I tried to picture what those children’s smiles might have looked like, now if that doesn’t get you in your heart nothing ever will.
I personally would rather you not post the pictures directly in your post, but link to them. There's no need to post those even if they are relevant to the topic. I sat down with a buddy of mine who has been back from Iraq for a little over a year now. He has told me stories that I will probably never repeat. Makes those pictures actually look not so bad when I think about it. Personally, I don't think our kids will change this world unfortunately. As intelligent and strong as our kids are today, my only thinking is that they were saved for this time for the specific reason that they will be the strongest ones who will be able to deal with what lies ahead.
QuoteI just like digging ppl in the ribs and seeing who explodes
Really !! ;)
I'll not comment on the pics other than - why are the children in the middle of a bomb dump? Their parents are obviouly not concerened for thier saftey.
Quotethe children are the ones that will change the world
Quoteif we teach them the right way, they will walk the right way
Not the way things are heading - they will be RFID chipped at birth, and become nice little state controled robots - watched and tracked for their whole lives. If they step out of line or open thier mouths in the wrong place - if your not with us your against us - it'll be a nice long vacation at the lovely Guantanamo Bay holiday resort, so good some people choose to stay forever.
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