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Title: Men smarter than women?
Post by: akulion on September 28, 2006, 05:39:04 PM
Jeanna Bryner
LiveScience Staff Writer
LiveScience.com Fri Sep 8, 3:45 PM ET

Men are smarter than women, according to a controversial new study that adds another cinder to the fiery debate over whether gender impacts general intelligence.

"For 100 years there's been a consensus among psychologists that there is no sex difference in intelligence," said J. Philippe Rushton, a psychologist at the University of Western Ontario, Canada.

Recent studies, however, have raised questions about the validity of this claim, he said. One such study showed that men have larger brains than women, a 100 gram difference after correcting for body size. Rushton found similar results in a study of gender and brain size.

To determine if there was a link between gender and intelligence, and perhaps between brain size and intelligence, Rushton and a colleague analyzed the Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT) scores from 100,000 17- and 18-year-olds.

G-factor

When Rushton and colleagues weighted each SAT question by an established general intelligence factor called the g-factor, they discovered that males surpassed females by an average of 3.6 IQ points.

The g-factor uses only the tough questions in the test. "If I tell you the last four digits of my telephone number and ask you to repeat them back to me, that's a low g-loaded memory test," Rushton explained. "But if I then ask you to repeat them back to me in the reverse order, that suddenly requires a tremendous amount more cognitive processing. It is a very high loaded g-item.â€Ã,

So the g-factor "is really the active ingredient of the test," Rushton said. "It's the single best, most predictive part of the test."

Rushton suspects that the results are due to males having more brain tissue than females on average. "It's a very reasonable hypothesis that you just need more brain tissue dedicated to processing high â€ËÅ"g' information," Rushton said.

The study, which Rushton co-wrote with Douglas Jackson, also of the University of Western Ontario, is detailed in the current issue of the journal Intelligence.

Flawed conclusion

Bruce Bracken, a psychologist at the College of William and Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia, who was not involved in the new study, said he thinks Rushton and Jackson make a convincing argument for the sample they used.

"The difference appears to be real," Bracken said.

But he questions the team's conclusions. "I believe that the differences probably lie in the variables they hadn't considered," Bracken said.

One plausible explanation is that more females than males decide to go to college and thus take the SAT test. The study did in fact include about 10,000 more females than males.

"This suggests that more males are deciding to do something else," Bracken said. "It may be that the males who would not have scored as high on the SAT chose not to take it, and they chose another route."

A more reliable study, he said, would be to match each male with a very similar female and then compare the results.

The debate goes on

The findings add fuel to a still smoldering debate ignited by former Harvard President Lawrence Summers, who stated early last year that males have a higher intrinsic aptitude in science and engineering.

In a letter from Summers days after his controversial statements, he wrote: "Despite reports to the contrary, I did not say, and I do not believe, that girls are intellectually less able than boys, or that women lack the ability to succeed at the highest levels of science. As the careers of a great many distinguished women scientists make plain, the human potential to excel in science is not somehow the province of one gender or another.â€Ã,

While Rushton called his results significant, he doesn't think they are a basis for uprooting the field of education.

"I don't think it has any real implications for education policy or schoolwork," he said. "In fact, females actually get better grades than males.â€Ã,

Plus, he doesn't think the IQ difference would show up in everyday activities. "For the vast majority of people in the vast majority of jobs, it really doesn't translate into very much," he said.

But when it comes to Nobel Prize winners, he said that men could outnumber women 10-to-1.  "Where it will really show up is at the very high end of the distribution," Rushton said.

Rushton has left the door open for opposing views and findings that might contradict his new study.

"I wouldn't say it's the last word. We really do need more research on it before we can be absolutely certain," Rushton said.

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Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: Mitchâ„¢ on September 28, 2006, 05:55:18 PM
I think  this has been proven wrong by many things but the main thing is G6 points out all the things I do wrong and I have not been able to point out on thing about her so I dont believe this post! :) :D
Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: akulion on September 28, 2006, 05:56:45 PM
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in the end what does it matter really

as long as we can all have fun

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Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: Mitchâ„¢ on September 28, 2006, 06:06:07 PM
Haha I agree!
Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: IchBin on September 28, 2006, 06:08:49 PM
*runs to get the fire extinguisher for Aku*
Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: akulion on September 28, 2006, 06:11:07 PM
oh we had so much fun on another forum windin some ladies up about this...it was hilarious lol

i kept posting those dancing smileys up and man they were getting angry lol

in the end i told them im windin them up and we called our peace
Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: Mitchâ„¢ on September 28, 2006, 06:15:09 PM
Haha you trouble maker you!
Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: rebelrose on September 28, 2006, 06:23:12 PM
To me it really does not matter whom people believe is smarter. I am a bit of old school. The man works all day, brings home the money, pays the bills, cuts the grass, takes out the trash, makes sure the cars run right (the wife has the newer most times) and  Fixes things around the house that are broke. He is KING.

The woman, stays home, cleans house, cooks dinner, washes the clothes and cares for the children. Let’s see clean house and cook, maybe 2 hours, washes clothes once or twice a week (this may vary), kids at school most of the day, she is home alone and free to go shopping and spend his hard earned money on things that drive him nuts. Serves him dinner when he gets home and makes sure he has clean clothes to wear to work.
Yes she is Queen.

Hmmmm Glad he is the smart one.  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: akulion on September 28, 2006, 06:24:58 PM
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i think experience matters more than anything else
Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: rebelrose on September 28, 2006, 06:33:46 PM
oh yes I agree there.

Men Rule. (love em)
Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: akulion on September 28, 2006, 06:38:18 PM
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Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: IchBin on September 28, 2006, 06:39:38 PM
Quote from: RebelRose on September 28, 2006, 06:23:12 PM
To me it really does not matter whom people believe is smarter. I am a bit of old school. The man works all day, brings home the money, pays the bills, cuts the grass, takes out the trash, makes sure the cars run right (the wife has the newer most times) and  Fixes things around the house that are broke. He is KING.

The woman, stays home, cleans house, cooks dinner, washes the clothes and cares for the children. Let’s see clean house and cook, maybe 2 hours, washes clothes once or twice a week (this may vary), kids at school most of the day, she is home alone and free to go shopping and spend his hard earned money on things that drive him nuts. Serves him dinner when he gets home and makes sure he has clean clothes to wear to work.
Yes she is Queen.

Hmmmm Glad he is the smart one.  :coolsmiley:

I love you already.....  :-*  :D
Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: akulion on September 28, 2006, 06:41:11 PM
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Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: rebelrose on September 28, 2006, 06:42:26 PM
Quote from: IchBinâââ,¬Å¾Ã,¢ on September 28, 2006, 06:39:38 PM
I love you already.....  :-*  :D

I really am a bit old fashion, I serve my husband dinner, whatever he needs or wants I serve him. He works hard all day and should not have to do a thing when he gets home but relax.

I cut the grass, but he does the trash and cars (well he is a machanic)

Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: rebelrose on September 28, 2006, 06:43:06 PM
Quote from: akulion on September 28, 2006, 06:41:11 PM
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Sorry Guys Taken already
Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: akulion on September 28, 2006, 06:44:30 PM
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Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: G6Cad on September 28, 2006, 06:48:19 PM
i think that to get a marriage work, the partner in life have to be the one filling the space where you dont have the knowlage to fix or do things.
My husband are the "hard worker" what he cant fix with his tools aint worh fixing or simply dont exist.
He is my total opposit, He is great with the children, he can cook, he clens when it is needed, he do the washes and i dont have to point him to do the things lika many other of my fiends. We share our life, and we share the things thats needed to be done in an household, there are no strict rules on who do what, we both work and share the cildren and the household bwtween us, we are one, so that about a man or a woman being brighter or smarter the the other have really no meaning in a life as you simply cant do or know every thing by your self, but with a partner, you get stronger then if you have been alone.

Whats diffrent between us is more the way of showing feelings or now, im much more sensitive and openhearted then him. He is old fashion about show his feelings exept when he gets mad on something, at those times he doesent hold back anything (never on me though or the children ) we are like his gold in his mine.

So one sex brighter then the other, maybe, but on what grounds and on what bases  ???
Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: akulion on September 28, 2006, 06:55:01 PM
in your entire post i only saw one word: sex

:2funny:
Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: Crip on September 28, 2006, 07:05:44 PM
Women Rule, men just drule.. :P
Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: rebelrose on September 28, 2006, 07:07:58 PM
Quote from: crip on September 28, 2006, 07:05:44 PM
Women Rule, men just drule.. :P

:2funny:  Too funny Crip
Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: Crip on September 28, 2006, 07:09:03 PM
;D
Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: IchBin on September 28, 2006, 08:35:10 PM
ahahahah @ Aku!!!

I totally Agree G6. I picture it this way though...

When my wife and I make it to the "Pearly White Gates" of heaven the doors are going to be opened and the Gate Keeper is going to welcome my wife right in. She'll have to ask the Gate Keeper if I can come too....

There is a reason why Marriage is for a man and a women. All of these evidences are shown in the personality and traits of a woman and a man and how they complete each other. Too me, I am only half the man I can or ever will be, without the woman of my dreams sitting their next to me and NOT behind me.
Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: stormlrd on September 28, 2006, 09:33:25 PM
Men may be smarter but woman are always given the last word... god i hate the couch :)
Title: Re: Men smarter than women?
Post by: Maya on September 28, 2006, 10:09:18 PM
lmao...don't know what u mean Storm...rofl  :2funny:

I share much the same views as RebelRose but...

Ich is also bang on

QuoteThere is a reason why Marriage is for a man and a women. All of these evidences are shown in the personality and traits of a woman and a man and how they complete each other. Too me, I am only half the man I can or ever will be...

My hubby's my soulmate,my best friend, my partner and we have taught each other so much throughout our life... we joke all the time with our friends that together we have one terrific brain... and we like it like that ;)

After 17 years, we still hold hands when we go out, finish each others sentences, and still get butterflies with a just hug..

Everyone should get to experience this in life....imo :)