http://jaxdoug.com
Very simialiar to TP, just not as many features as of yet.
No wonder he disappeared from here. lol
I know right? I know he mentioned doing it too...
It's been there awhile, I didn't posting posting because I figured someone prolly posted it by now. However, when browsing trying to find the name of other TP like portal, I noticed no one posted it yet.
There's yap, simpleportal, and another one in which I can't remembe or find the name of.
mkportal
you also forgot enigma2
I noticed he is using some decorum with it - TP is the third entry in his links menu - Enigma2 is fourth. That, in itself, is a classy move.
I think it's more like Simple Portal than TP .. maybe a mix?..
I also see competition falling by the way side. ;)
I noticed it a while back..haven't looked at it yet, need to be logged in to download I think?
As far I know only TP and Simpleportal installs as mods, while both MKPortal and Enigma2 are "outside"..although the latter seems to be a mix last time I read anything about it. Yap I am not sure of.
here is a good look at it Bloc. ;)
if this shouldn't be here please delete it.
EDIT: attachment removed | Xarcell.
i was going to have a look at it to see how similar to tp it is but i have no idea how to install it...........
It's like Simple portal (http://mods.simplemachines.org/index.php?mod=131), a copy ? :)
However, I'd like Enigma (http://lunabyte.net/) than YAP (http://jaxdoug.com/) rather
I'd rather have TP. :2funny:
Quote from: gerrymo on March 29, 2006, 02:24:47 PM
I'd rather have TP. :2funny:
Me too...
Quote from: elpvn on March 29, 2006, 01:31:31 PM
It's like Simple portal (http://mods.simplemachines.org/index.php?mod=131), a copy ? :)
However, I'd like Enigma (http://lunabyte.net/) than YAP (http://jaxdoug.com/) rather
Mkportal & Enigma is an intergration, not actually SMF itself unlike YAP & TP & Simpleportal
Quote from: crip on March 29, 2006, 01:15:36 PM
here is a good look at it Bloc. ;)
if this shouldn't be here please delete it.
Thanks, crip..and I think its better to not have it here. Its bound to be updates etc.
Yap , TP, and Simpleportal are all mods for SMF.
SMF is a forum add-on for MKportal, Enigma, Joomla, and numberous others.
Mod's run smoother because it's more lightweight, and you only have one theme to deal with.
I see, thanks Xarcell :)
I just tested YAP on a local server here at work. It seems very basic for now. I know he's just getting started. He has some pretty good ideas of how to do things. But it lacks a ton of features compared to TP. One of the things that I don't like is what it does to the default theme. Completely overhauls the index.template and styles. After installing it on new SMF install it seemed to put quite a load on the forum adding page load significantly for me. It doesn't have any front page options other than to change blocks. Doesn't appear to have a frontpage, just the forum with blocks. I guess I should go tell Doug this eh? lol
That's how simple portal is, but you have to edit blocks manually.
I like them all, but TP I prefer. Especially since you can't tell it's a mod.
;D
yea tp is easier to use aswell
See that is what I am talking about...ease of use...if I have to put too much effort into using something...it doesn't get used.
Very true, td - but being easy is a relative statement.
Most of us will do a bit more if the end result is what we want. For me, the steeper learning curve of something like Photoshop is worth it, to get what I want. For others, Paint is sufficient.
A medal to anyone who can make the cryptic arrangement in the SMF ACP more sensible and convenient. But while I wait to award that medal, I continue to use SMF for other reasons. On the other hand, the TP controls are straight forward and simple to understand - they do pretty much what you want them to do and are easy to figure out. The only thing I'd like to see more of are ready-made blocks.
Ya, but if a program is way too hard is it really worth it? Remember power of an application does not neccesarily mean it has to be hard.
If it is way too hard, then the benefits may not be worth it. I used to think that about Photoshop, a program I would recommend to maybe .5% of those I know who need graphics editing capability.
Then again, there are programs that are too difficult no matter what, but they don't last too long on the market.
I could easily see a site wanting more than one view (portal) within a single database and these alternatives might work out OK for that purpose (perhaps not as ideal as TinyPortal - but "OK").
Example, say you ran scouts - both boys and girls. It would be nice to have a top-level all inclusive portal and then a boys-specific and a girls-specific portal. This cannot be done via membergroups alone - especially if a parent has both boys and girls involved.
In the above example, it would be great to have the following tabs:
HOME BOYS GIRLS FORUM HELP SEARCH PROFILE LOGOUT
where BOYS and GIRLS are their own "subTinyPortal" - each with their own specific rt, lt, ctr blocks, shouts, etc ...
Just lookin' @ the bright-side and seeing the portal alternatives as complementors and validators rather than viewing them exclusively as competitors.
It is great there is more than one portal solution to SMF - that in itself says the market is strong.
Eventually, Bloc may want to evolve TP to have sub-portals like above - personally, I think sub-portals would both be innovative and a better idea than re-inventing a gallery or a blog - but that is just my $0.02
edit: maybe blocks could be shown based on ?action=xyz for subportals ???
Stellar idea - I like it.
While you should NEVER come across anything mixing Boy Scouts with Girls Scouts (the structure of each is too different and they don't support each other), I do both Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts. Or someone might have two sites, one for Chevy Camaros and the other for Pontiac Firebirds. Possibly sewing and cooking. The list is nearly endless.
This is one reason I have several sites running IPB - their Converge product (Beta) is outstanding at this. It allows single or multiple databases to share members, login details, etc., and even direct members to the default site of their choice. Of course, each site must use IPB..... ;)
Hi, I'm from the dev team of YAP.
I just read about you guys talking about us. I don't know if this post was made before or after I joined the project.
So there's four portals for SMF right? Enigma2, SimplePortal, TinyPortal, and Yet Another Portal. I only knew about E2 and YAP until recently when I learned about TP, then SimplePortal after I read a reply on this topic saying YAP is a Simple Portal copy :idiot2:.
Nice work though on TinyPortal. :up:
It looks like the bar was set high before I even thought of making a portal.
:)
Its about 4 yes..but also MKPortal and Joomla of course can thought of as "portal" solutions. They all take on somewhat different approach to it though. Luckily. ;)
Just my own bias opinion Tinyportal is far Superior than all the rest.. >:D >:D
(https://www.tinyportal.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.familjegodis.se%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2Fclassic%2Fwheelchair.gif&hash=4a0f61d09cc1a0cbdc56218a23be5895faad26da)
Just googled for them. It looks like they give options to install other forum software also.
Quote from: IchBinâ„¢ on March 29, 2006, 05:02:11 PM
I just tested YAP on a local server here at work. It seems very basic for now. I know he's just getting started. He has some pretty good ideas of how to do things. But it lacks a ton of features compared to TP. One of the things that I don't like is what it does to the default theme. Completely overhauls the index.template and styles. After installing it on new SMF install it seemed to put quite a load on the forum adding page load significantly for me. It doesn't have any front page options other than to change blocks. Doesn't appear to have a frontpage, just the forum with blocks. I guess I should go tell Doug this eh? lol
LOL, check it out now. ;)
We decided that YAP now and in the future will only contain 3 features - Front Page News, PHP & HTML Blocks, and PHP & HTML Pages. Anything else would be considered as a mod and is not shipped with YAP but has to be downloaded seperately. ;)
Time to keep my mouth :-X .
Thanks for posting about us. Our upcoming YAP modules would probally be so light weight that they could be installed with any other portal(Including TP) or just plain old SMF itself. Thats what we are aiming for. ;D
Thats good news! I'll keep your portal on the back burner to see how it goes. Thanks for posting here nend. Looking forward to see what you guys come up with so we can steal your ideas. :P
I can't stop you from doing that. ::)
Right now I'm making the downloads module. I code slow, take plenty of breaks, etc. All I did was two functions to upload, don't even know if it works or not. It looks ok to me though, :-\ , so break time and put it off to tomorrow. LOL
With all due respect to ability and desire, spending the time to reinvent the wheel is probably not the best use of time (unless you are in it almost exclusively for learning purposes).
YAP appears to be duplicating things done by SMF insiders - an uphill battle.
Why not spend the time & expertise on something unique ... instead of spending time on "yet another" download module for "yet another" portal - why not implement a "blog mod" or a "shop mod" or a "fancy RSS mod" - or any other "xyz mod"?
Its a shame to see people with desire, talent & a good old fashioned "go get 'em" attitude charge up the wrong hill.
Why don't just let the people with their dreams do what they want their own way iowamf ?
There are milions of ways to build something from the bottom up, and I'm pretty sure that not all buildings in the world look the same, feel the same even if they have been invented allready.
So leave what he does and don't do out of it, itÂÃ,´s his portal and his time, let him do what he want with it.. :coolsmiley:
lol... I guess its always going to be like this. There are reasons why people start with something similar to already existing things. TP came to be because there wasn't really anything that installs as a mod, and i was primarily interested in using the theme system - which now at last seem to come into play as important part of TP. If thats wasn't important, we could still just use MKPortal etc.
I don't know the history/causes behind YAP, or the goals for it - but there is always a reason.
I think that as long as there is a free spirit in the world, and people are allowed to have their own way of seeing things, diffrent tastes there will always be other similar tings out there, and people who want to build or make their own things, even if there still is similar things allready done.
The taste is diffrent all over the world, some like green, some don't, some like CocaCola, some like Pepsi....
So the thing is, we are all diffrent in everything.
I for instance love TP and dislikes MK , some other Love MK and dislikes TP.
Thats the way things are in the world, and we have to let it be that way :)
The reason for the downloads mod is really for YAP site. We need a way to easily upload and manage updates and mods without ftp. I was looking for a easy way but there is no download mod for SMF that I like. I tried SimpleDownload, didn't like it.
On 1.2 our whole reason was to make a portal that installed as a mod no FTP required and that worked with the database. 1.1 used a flat file structure, we decided to not touch any SMF code on that one. Any other versions were before I joined the project. Before I started YAP I used to make mods for E1 and alpha tested E2. Jax was with E2 support and themes. IMHO I blame YAP on the newest member of the LSP dev team. ;)
Quote from: Bloc on May 09, 2006, 01:46:38 PMI don't know the history/causes behind YAP, or the goals for it - but there is always a reason.
To give people another option besides TP of course :P
Choice is always good. Choice drives innovation, without which stagnation would set in as there would be no need to make something better. I used to favour MK over TP, but inovation on MK slowed, so now I favour TP as innovation and development is continuing appace and one day I hope to be able to replace the old with the new. As has been said, one man's meat is another man's poison. Respect to the folks working on YAP, I should imagine it is not easy to get established when the competition is of such a high quality.
I like to try everything portal/cms wise, I have even tried different forum solutions. It's good to know what is out there, as then you can make an informed choice as to what you want to use yourself on a longer term basis.
Wolfenrook
what is the best CMS software out there in ya'lls opinion?
Quote from: deadpoeticstar on May 09, 2006, 04:07:31 PM
Quote from: Bloc on May 09, 2006, 01:46:38 PMI don't know the history/causes behind YAP, or the goals for it - but there is always a reason.
To give people another option besides TP of course :P
HEAVEN FORBID!! :P :D
The best one? I think that is going to be totally dependant on what you are trying to do and what you're needs are. IMO, (as unbiased as I can be) TP is the best for me. The way it customizes and its ease of use are what makes it best. Considering there's only one developer and where TP is in comparison to other Portals with Features, TP is leagues ahead of all the other Portals. I've played with Mambo, MKPortal, and Simple Portal (when it first came out). None of them are as easy to customize or to figure out, as much as TP is.
no i mean like Joomla, Mambo (whatever its called) those types of systems
YAP still a new portal mod for SMF and need more improving but now it not in my selection list
Quote from: deadpoeticstar on May 09, 2006, 04:59:36 PM
no i mean like Joomla, Mambo (whatever its called) those types of systems
;D
in my opinion the visual aspect really needs to be improved in yap
the first time i saw it i closed the site after one click cos it was very grey
having 100 functionalities but visual styles suck - it dosent mix well
just my opinion
That is very true. I like TP because it can be used with Bloc's pre-existing multi-column themes. All portals/CMS's that add columns to themes that were originally single-column will be horrid visually, IMO.
That's the thing, Yap is just plain ugly! It's too 'flat' for my liking!
As to the best CMS (not portal) out there, for me I would vote Joomla at the moment as there is just so much that you can do with it! Some other so called CMS systems are little more than online wysiwig site editors.
As to the question of the best portal, well that depends. If you use SMF then it is definitely going to be TinyPortal. There was a time I would have said MKPortal, but it's starting to really lag these days as development has practically ground to a halt. Whera TinyPortal development is rushing forward full steam ahead! Once TP reaches the same stage as MKPortal was at when I started using it, which it very nearly has, then I will try to get the rest of the ang-sites owners to agree to a switch. Maybe using a combination of a TP enabled SMF combined with Joomla (I already have a beta site running Joomla with my MK install), I'm a great believer in not restricting things too much!
Wolfenrook
Will if you look at the theme only, then duh, LMAO. :2funny:
I don't handle the theme area. I can but nah. But if I did I would probally make something like this http://easyadmin.2-si.net/index.php. (Note: This is one of my test sites, so that explains why some stuff doesn't work, be careful, ::) )
(https://www.tinyportal.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fyap-portal.com%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D78.0%3Battach%3D33%3Bimage&hash=2650479732625711a278c03f9dbf87d29d74e10b)
Look like you are using Blocs oxygen as base for that theme you are using on that testsite ?
Actually its one of the SMF defualt themes I'm working off from. The Babylon theme. What you do is take the info center out of boards.template.php and put it in index.template.php and put some if statements in there so it will only show up when the forum is present. It's a little buggy template right now, if it was my top priority at this time it would be finished but I have allot of other things to do.
To clear up some confusion. You can not use a TP theme on YAP or visa versa. They are 0% compatible. Maybe in the future we can have some compatibility with portal template systems. But for now there is no one standard in making these portals.
Hello all, I just found this thread and I would like to set a few things straight about YAP. First though let me say this, Tiny Portal without a doubt is the best portal for SMF on the net, bar none, you have the friendliest staff and members, everyone here is always courteous and there is a lot of good information shared here.
YAP is just a very simple portal system which is a MOD for SMF. We plan on keeping it rather simple, howbeit; nend has done some very nice coding work on the portal and the internal layout. YAP now loads directly by the package manager and is very easy to add or delete blocks and pages, either in php or html. We did not try to copy any other portals when we went into development, someone had mention simpleportal.
We had no intentions of being in competition with another portal from the start and still don't. As someone stated in one of the posts here, there is more than 1 builder for houses, more than one architect designing buildings, more than one car company and so on. We just want to be accepted in the community and are trying to give back to it. Our portal may or may not be the best or worst, we are not looking for that, just a place people can come, like here, be treated well and respected for their opinions.
We are doing what we are doing because we like to do it and if someone likes our system, we hope they use it and tell others about it.
I have always had the utmost respect for bloc and the other staff members here and at Simplemachines since the inception.
We are NOT the competition. We are just having fun and wanting to get along with the rest of the SMF community. I appreciate the comment someone made about us having Tiny Portal linked to our site.
Thanks,
Douglas Brown
YAP Portal
http://yap-portal.com (Our new location)
Thanks for posting Doug. I'm looking forward to see what you guys will accomplish with YAP. Good luck, and thanks clearing things up.
Indeed. :)
All existing portals have a somewhat different approach and philosphy around the portal concept - and that can only be a good thing. The more work put in this area, the more appealing SMF will be as a forum++ for users.
It's looks like a nice Portal, hope it grows continually. :)
crip~
i used YAP for about 4 days and didn't lie it much for these resones:
only like 2 themes (both look ugly)
separate admin that is a bit messy
and the themes were a bit hard to modify unlike blocs themes (I'm using the epsilon theme and its easy as pie to replace images with flash files)
but i do like the page thing in YAP they display properly
as for the best cms i really like is:http://matrix.squiz.net/ (http://matrix.squiz.net/)
but i cant use it because of the database it uses but its Australian (were I'm from)
and has an easy to use interface a bit like the explore folder thing in windows.
Quote from: mike16889 on June 03, 2006, 03:06:29 AM
i used YAP for about 4 days and didn't lie it much for these resones:
only like 2 themes (both look ugly)
separate admin that is a bit messy
and the themes were a bit hard to modify unlike blocs themes (I'm using the epsilon theme and its easy as pie to replace imagesÃ, with flash files)
but i do like the page thing in YAP they display properly
as for the best cms i really like is:http://matrix.squiz.net/ (http://matrix.squiz.net/)
but i cant use it because of the database it uses but its Australian (were I'm from)
and has an easy to use interface a bit like the explore folder thing in windows.
Yes, I'd like another option in any case, but in the currently, YAP not enough to make a chance to competition with TP though I'd love a title same that :2funny:
About most CMS I'd like to, now that's PHPFOX (http://www.phpfox.com) but I'm not sure to puschase it nowÃ, >:D
Has anyone tried e107 (http://e107.org) yet? I'ts really easy to use and has a lot of nice features but doesn't work with smf very well...as of yet. I do hear they are working on that, tho. It does have a scaled down forum included. But it's a lot easier to create websites than mambo/joomla.
And as for my money, it's TP all of the way!!!
Yup, I have used and tried e107 a couple of years back. I liked it then, not sure where they are today though.
I'd choose it over mambo any day. Much more user-friendly but can't replace tp.