Hello TP users :)
We love TP right? Of course we do, but I'm little afraid about future of TP. Quite long time ago we hit gold version but what now? Do we have any goals to move forward with this miasterpiece portal modification? I hope so cuz our competition (portal mods) do not stand still with developing and we must make another step.
What are your thoughts about TP future?
Much mental support and also other, as far as it is useful from my side.
Wish to see it turning. Tiny, tinier, real huge.
Thanks for your great work and may you always find needed motivation in good work and never lack on it lost in unwholesome moods.
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Quote from: Nolt on May 29, 2013, 12:26:42 AM
Hello TP users :)
We love TP right? Of course we do, but I'm little afraid about future of TP. Quite long time ago we hit gold version but what now? Do we have any goals to move forward with this miasterpiece portal modification?
This might answer your question. http://www.tinyportal.net/index.php?topic=35166.msg280828#msg280828
Lurkalot,
Ohh... it's not good and wise to make ones future dependent on others (speculators and fearful observer are most like candidates of stomach ulcer or depressions) . So what about the next great step of co-developing the Stand-alone additions with easy SMF connecting switches as an alternative with a free way to just walk on?
Quote from: Johann on May 29, 2013, 06:43:25 PM
Lurkalot,
Ohh... it's not good and wise to make ones future dependent on others (speculators and fearful observer are most like candidates of stomach ulcer or depressions) .
:o Johann, I haven't a clue what you're trying to say. ??? I was merely pointing Nolt to a post.
I know, lurkalot , and that was the reason for the conclusion and "wink", since I am just an outside reader without special "background" information. So just what is visible and readable.
Quote...whats happening these days with TP...
Quote... Kind of waiting to see what happens with some SMF forks before proceeding with any changes....
Quotewhats happening these days with TP...
And my suggestion in regard of "What are your thoughts about TP future?" was: Shake such of and step on.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4Qyg4AZ_F4
Hey drafts, hey drafts... gogogo!
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With my time being extremely limited on being able to code in my free time right now, I'm not going to update the portal much without much evidence of where SMF is headed. They are really going down the wrong path IMO, and I see nothing but a dead end for them. However, Elkarte.net is going pretty well over there with their fork. If they are able to get to a good point and start releasing a beta, then I may just as well port TinyPortal over to it instead of SMF. TP's code is open source now. Anyone can update, fork, or re-use it to their content. If someone out there wants to step up to the plate for updating it with SMF they are free to do so. For now, I'm waiting to see what happens in particular with Elkarte. TP could use a major over-haul to come up to standard with what they are doing at Elkarte though...
I think Johann's suggestion is to make TinyPortal independent of SMF - or any other fork of SMF and just connect with them. Not sure if its worthwile doing, as the code relies heavily on the backend that SMF provides. Those would have to rewritten then, and possibly changed for any other forum/fork.
The future of TP is probably in getting forked itself , and maybe merged with other SMF forks. The coding is in need of improvement though - some of it are over 7-8 years old. On the other hand..some of the ideas i put into it, could use further development. I am just not sure if anyone is willing to go down that road..for myself I moved past many of the goals for TP, although some are similar to what I am working with in other projects.
Sadly, SMF is now in lack of really dedicated people, and I am not sure how that can end any other way than SMF becoming stagnant.
Quote from: IchBin™ on May 29, 2013, 08:59:33 PM
With my time being extremely limited on being able to code in my free time right now, I'm not going to update the portal much without much evidence of where SMF is headed. They are really going down the wrong path IMO, and I see nothing but a dead end for them. However, Elkarte.net is going pretty well over there with their fork. If they are able to get to a good point and start releasing a beta, then I may just as well port TinyPortal over to it instead of SMF. TP's code is open source now. Anyone can update, fork, or re-use it to their content. If someone out there wants to step up to the plate for updating it with SMF they are free to do so. For now, I'm waiting to see what happens in particular with Elkarte. TP could use a major over-haul to come up to standard with what they are doing at Elkarte though...
Dear IchBin,
as a "just visitor" I recognized a lot of "running after a better" but at least such would simply destruct the potential which is if available if one takes the "burden" and stick to the mother as good as possible.
One must be aware that voluntary work and generosity is something fast disappearing in our world but that should be a additional reason to stay with it against the stream. Don't think that even if a software is open, there will be many to stay in line and develop it further in a way the "founder" did.
To be kind of conservative and stay this the "old" needs actually a lot of liberal mind setting, if we look more exact.
How ever, I understand such problems and therefor the suggestion to simply walk on with what is internal useful to develop and keep it open in all direction. So a standalone release would be not out of benefit in all cases, for example.
Nobody has time except one takes it. That is actually no excuse but simply a matter of personal priorities.
Quote from: bloc on May 29, 2013, 11:53:48 PM
I think Johann's suggestion is to make TinyPortal independent of SMF - or any other fork of SMF and just connect with them. Not sure if its worthwile doing, as the code relies heavily on the backend that SMF provides. Those would have to rewritten then, and possibly changed for any other forum/fork.
The future of TP is probably in getting forked itself , and maybe merged with other SMF forks. The coding is in need of improvement though - some of it are over 7-8 years old. On the other hand..some of the ideas i put into it, could use further development. I am just not sure if anyone is willing to go down that road..for myself I moved past many of the goals for TP, although some are similar to what I am working with in other projects.
Sadly, SMF is now in lack of really dedicated people, and I am not sure how that can end any other way than SMF becoming stagnant.
Dear Bloc,
yes and now. Independent further intern development, dependent and in respect to the on the "mother". Everything else would be a paradox of "Sadly, SMF is now in lack of really dedicated people". It's important to seek the possibilities and the place to work in his own area and within one self.
Forking there, bridging this... actually (from what I have seen) nobody has anymore overview and deep knowledge and the whole software issue is a problem solving by putting an additional overlay and next layer in the surface. Today the word
de-veloping is generally misunderstood. That is the heartwood of "Simply" and "Tiny". I guess it makes no sense to follow the 6,7,8D levels and this angles and gods will soon fall down on the earth and understand that a higher level need extremely more resources and food and will be difficult to maintain. So general, I would not worry about fast pop ups and "developments", they are soon back or lost.
People often asked me, why I walk and never take a ride. It's not easy to understand that a even a jet can never be so fast as if one simply walk, if one counts honest and all.
But those are just general everywhere reasonable hints and of course have their particular problems in many details. But if the intention is set rightly and the course is set, problems here and there are no issue at all and simply daily work.
Smaller, simpler, moderate and flexible in all directions. At least all that software is for those who like to overcome simply consuming and learn what development is about.
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Really sad to hear this :/ TP was built for SMF and should stay in that way, I think we - TP community - will lose lot of users if we focus at forks rather than original SMF development.
For me forks should be an option for TP not primary target, idk guys if you check or test SMF but 2.1 is in good shape. People made thousand of forks just because SMF is open source now. Lot of forks already died... in near future there will be lot of forks without any good support. You think its a good way?ofc not.
Well, I can't talk for Elkarte, but my own fork is quite compatible with SMF 2.0.x line. I am rather expanding SMF without great upheavels as the 2 other major ones atm: Wedge & Elkarte ..similar to TP in a way, which is why I am looking at porting TP to it as a core feature.
SMF 2.1..well, if IchBin wants to update TP to work with SMF 2.1 thats great. For myself I am not too keen, as I don't see things I like to be expanded upon in 2.1, both in themes departement and towards what TP offers as a mini CMS,, so my enthusiam is somewhat curbed. But, SMF 2.0 is still the stable version.
IMHO more worrying is that TP don't evolve much with its current developing speed. No wonder perhaps, I fear the coding is very colored by my coding style and way of structure, thus its hard to just jump in for others - perhaps.
Quote from: Nolt on June 04, 2013, 11:27:06 AM
Really sad to hear this :/ TP was built for SMF and should stay in that way, I think we - TP community - will lose lot of users if we focus at forks rather than original SMF development.
For me forks should be an option for TP not primary target, idk guys if you check or test SMF but 2.1 is in good shape. People made thousand of forks just because SMF is open source now. Lot of forks already died... in near future there will be lot of forks without any good support. You think its a good way?ofc not.
I hope this doesn't sound rude, but I'm not in this for the users. I'm in this for my own selfish joy. lol Not that I don't care about users. But if TP dies, that will not be because of a single developer or two. It will be because the community around it doesn't care enough to work on it. TP is also open source, therefore available for anyone to take it and do what they want with it. It is a steep learning curve. In part because Bloc was in process of changing things, in part because it got big enough that it was too hard to maintain I think. I don't fault Bloc for that. He was giving everyone what they wanted. And did a damn fine job considering this was his learning curve.
I actually have done a little work on TP lately. Although it has mostly been done in the shoutbox so that it can use ajax now instead of refreshing the page. Don't know what I'll continue to do, but if I get the itch and have some free time I don't see why I wouldn't continue to make TP a little better. Depends on a lot of things though. lol
With the way that SMF is going, I'd suggest you keep your eye on the forks. In particular because SMF really only has 2 developers. Of those two developers, only one of them is a senior developer IMO. The SMF team has created an environment that doesn't emulate what an open source project really is. It's dying a slow death IMO. Hence the reason I am watching other forks to see what happens. Wedge and Elkarte are doing pretty darn good so far.
I wouldn't be surprised to see TP work with SMF 2.1 alpha at this point. There hasn't been that many major changes to keep it from doing so.
I saw that :) Very nice.
I do hope others would work on TP in true open source spirit, but I fear most times its just a few individuals that want to and are able to. Just as many of the bigger SMF mods were created and maintained by one or a few. SMF is a bit bigger..but there haven't been that many forks, and those that work on them are somehow connected to previous development on SMF.
Its also been asked why those forks cannot cooperate instead. Well, as Brad says, the SMF team system is rather closed, and not raelly suitable for real open source working methods, and with the "oversight" board in there too, its rather limited. The fork devs around seems pretty determinant to go their own way as well, (including myself unfortunately) so Elkarte is ATM the one with most people actively working on it. Plus they use GitHub as developing base.
We just have to see I guess, and be glad there are people that want to bring SMF further even if its outside the SMF team.
Even maybe a alien resource, it might bring it to the very point and maybe worthy some thoughts:
Quote from: accesstoinsight.org (http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an04/an04.032.than.html)Sangaha Sutta: The Bonds of Fellowship
translated from the Pali by
Thanissaro Bhikkhu
© 1997–2013 (http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an04/an04.032.than.html)
"There are these four grounds for the bonds of fellowship. Which four? Generosity, kind words, beneficial help, consistency. These are the four grounds for the bonds of fellowship."
Generosity, kind words, beneficial help,
& consistency in the face of events,
in line with what's appropriate
in each case, each case.
These bonds of fellowship [function]
in the world like the linchpin in a moving cart.
Now, if these bonds of fellowship were lacking,
a mother would not receive the honor
& respect owed by her child,
nor would a father receive what his child owes him.
But because the wise show regard for these bonds of fellowship,
they achieve greatness and are praised.
Quote from: accesstoinsight.org (http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an08/an08.024.than.html)Hatthaka Sutta: About Hatthaka (2) AN 8.24
translated from the Pali by
Thanissaro Bhikkhu
© 2004–2013
On one occasion the Blessed One was staying near Alavi at the Aggalava Shrine. Then Hatthaka of Alavi, surrounded by approximately 500 [other] lay followers, went to the Blessed One. On arrival, having bowed down to the Blessed One, he sat to one side. As he was sitting there the Blessed One said to him, "Large is your following, Hatthaka. How have you won over this large following?"
"Lord, I have won over this large following through the four grounds for the bonds of fellowship taught by the Blessed One. When I know that, 'This person is to be won over by giving,' then I win him/her over by giving. When I know that, 'This person is to be won over by kind words,' then I win him/her over by kind words. When I know that, 'This person is to be won over by beneficial help,' then I win him/her over by beneficial help.[1] When I know that, 'This person is to be won over by consistency,' then I win him/her over by consistency.[2] Awed by the wealth of my family, they regard me as worth listening to, which would not be the case if I were poor."
"It's good, Hatthaka, it's very good that this is the means by which you have won over a large following. All those in the past who have won over a large following have done so by means of these four same grounds for the bonds of fellowship. All those in the future who will win over a large following will do so by means of these four same grounds for the bonds of fellowship. All those at present who are winning over a large following do so by means of these four same grounds for the bonds of fellowship."
Then, having been instructed, urged, roused, & encouraged by the Blessed One with a talk on Dhamma, Hatthaka of Alavi got up from his seat, bowed down to the Blessed One, circled him — keeping him on his right — and left. Not long after he had left, the Blessed One said to the monks, "Monks, remember Hatthaka of Alavi as being endowed with eight amazing, astounding qualities. Which eight? Hatthaka of Alavi is endowed with conviction. He is virtuous. He has a sense of conscience. He has a sense of concern (for the results of unskillful actions). He is learned. He is generous. He is discerning. He is modest. Remember Hatthaka of Alavi as being endowed with these eight amazing, astounding qualities."
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Quote from: IchBin™
I wouldn't be surprised to see TP work with SMF 2.1 alpha at this point. There hasn't been that many major changes to keep it from doing so.
Of course it works, with some minor bugs but works pretty well :)
I'm testing and working on so many things at the moment, but I think I do remember testing the TP on the alpha and reported my finding to Brad, But that was when the alpha was released, so now I'll need to check it out again with the latest fixes and see, when ever time permits, I have also worked on the CSS stuff for TP to better it blend in with the darker themes by removing the background and lite colour borders, the white (#FFF) and replacing with transparent on the fields and image BG's ... the little arrow image to transparency or to match the theme, and some cases done away with... and themes I do or customize have these included, so they blend with TP.
Have to agree that SMF is not moving very well, But I think that may have been due to too muck talk and head banging, than moving forward, among ( possible Legal Stuff ) What shame it's still may favorite of all I have tested thus far..
I do like the alpha direction, except for a few changes that could very well be made by the user, that is if the get all their stuff finished, I also found allot of 2.02 + themes worked at that time, well with the 2.1 alpha, with minor changes in the index.template and CSS stuff, the only issue is when and how to move it forward >>
The alpha theme seems nice to customize and edit, my only concern is what all file are needed there? seems like allot of files! :)
regards,
Maxx
OK Just an FYI,
Tried to install the TP on the Elkarte 1.0 alpha, now not complaining just for info purpose, I found the following errors, and did not really expect it to go smooth, and I know it's too early and an Alpha, however info may be useful?
and I'm liking the Elkarte so far!
Please find 2 screen shots of the errors found!
regards,
Maxx
Looks like someone else has already started the work on it. Give this a try and see how it goes.
https://github.com/engelnyst/TinyPortal
Quote from: IchBin™ on June 07, 2013, 04:37:30 PM
Looks like someone else has already started the work on it. Give this a try and see how it goes.
https://github.com/engelnyst/TinyPortal
WOW would be nice if they let us know here!
He's actually one of the guys currently working on the elkarte project and used to be a former SMF dev IIRC. Would be nice, but he posted it at Elkarte.
OK I got ... Thanks Brad, Let me see if I can figure out how to use it.. Not for other this is not a zip you can install, Via the package manage. so what ever I find, doah! LOL if I'll able to I'll report it here. and yes it would have been nice, all in all we still got to know and that what matters, and that someone is moving along with the SMF, like this and the WEDGE, and Possibly Bloc, so here we go >> moving on >>
2 things I never found replacements for that I like, one is SMF and the other is TP! JMOI!
regards,
Maxx
Quote from: IchBin™ on June 07, 2013, 07:36:13 PM
He's actually one of the guys currently working on the elkarte project and used to be a former SMF dev IIRC. Would be nice, but he posted it at Elkarte.
Nightwish? Seems a bit odd that he would want to work on TP..for ElKarte of all things, seeing as his own fork should be well on its way and might even have its own CMS/portal features(haven't actually checked, its been so long since I followed his work).But maybe he have stopped working on it and focusing on ElKarte instead.And that he considers TP worthwhile porting to it. :D
For my own I won't be transporting the code in TP to Protendo but rather using the data only.I feel its a chance to finally move TP to the next level, something I wanted to do - before the "drive" ran out. :P :)
Bloc,
Thank you for your thoughts and you update on what you looking/working at or toward doing. :)
regards,
Maxx
Quote from: Maxx1 on June 07, 2013, 08:41:38 PM
2 things I never found replacements for that I like, one is SMF and the other is TP! JMOI!
+1
I was wrong about who it was. Had some people mixed up. He wasn't a former SMF dev for all I know. But he did start his own fork as Bloc mentioned. :)
Quote from: Nolt on June 07, 2013, 10:34:44 PM
Quote from: Maxx1 on June 07, 2013, 08:41:38 PM
2 things I never found replacements for that I like, one is SMF and the other is TP! JMOI!
+1
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As somebody who is not really informed in involved.
Aside of all speculations and rumors, which is actually never really useful I like this sentence most:
QuoteI feel its a chance to finally move TP to the next level, something I wanted to do - before the "drive" ran out.
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So aside with all of that secondary fabricated stuff and you be lifted up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg4MTBCIW8A)!
Yours respectfully and faithfully
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Well .. PortaMx have started a new Portal for the coming SMF 2.1 and anyone can install a SMF 2.1 Alpha and the new PortaMx 2.0 Virgo.
Both you find on Github or on out Site / Testsite ...
To be honest.there is nothing like TP and I would not jump ship yet. and I also feel it maybe a little premature to work on a portal upgrade to the Alpha, Because this is just what it is, an Alpha, maybe when we get to the Beta and or the RC? I maybe wrong but, lol I think a New update Version of TP, is not out of reach!
I have tested most all of them as mentioned many times in the past !
How many time I have tried..>>
Maxx
Quote from: Maxx1 on July 14, 2013, 02:45:35 PM
and I also feel it maybe a little premature to work on a portal upgrade to the Alpha, Because this is just what it is, an Alpha, maybe when we get to the Beta and or the RC?
Well .. a Software on a Alpha state have smaller bugs, but the general code is mostly complete and stable.
It is a good point to create a new Portal on this stand, so we must not make a excessive testing phase if SMF 2.1 becomes Beta, RC or release state. So we can start the development an the same point... ;)
will be a sad day if TP ever quits being compatible with SMF standard