http://www.lewisonline.ca/?p=426
http://www.smf-friends.org
Simply put.. wow
Whoa! what is going on?
as far as I can tell they are just banning all the good coders and making the others resign...Truly I hope a change in a positive way comes
Sad day :(
lets not conclusions people. sure they will sort its all out, just give em a break
i hope they don't scrap rc2, i really like it
They will most likely try get SMF 2 into final. But if that happens with existing take-over team or with a brand new leadership(which may or may not bring many disgruntled ex-team members back) , thats the big question.
In any case I think your SMF sites are safe for the time being. Longer term..who knows.
Just no words.... other than..... people will be people and crap happens when people are involved. It's sad.
The problem is that most of the people who left are devs or modders. If there are very little or no mods, there will not be much left for smf.
I think everything will get fixed in a couple weeks. I wouldn't worry too much just let it run its course and see what happens. I haven't heard any of the current devs leaving.
Yeah, time will tell.
Cant wait to see the outcome of this
I don't really hang out at SMF much but the real eye-opener for me is the way Cathy has behaved.
Sad times for SMF. I'm sure one way or another things will continue on. Whether it be with SMF under new management, or a group of people starting their own thing. We shall see I guess. No matter what though, SMF is the best forum software.
Quote from: IchBinâ„¢ on January 23, 2010, 04:24:58 PM
No matter what though, SMF is the best forum software.
Agreed
I've always said the same. :)
It is very sad indeed, especially when SMF is the best.
Quote from: william777 on January 24, 2010, 03:30:50 AM
It is very sad indeed, especially when SMF is the best.
It happens when the objective of working for the user is replaced by ego of the individual(s) generally speaking.
History has many examples of dictators/tyrants. It was their greed and self(ish) interests and not for the good or benefits of the general public. Let's hope that SMF survives.
Quote from: william777 on January 24, 2010, 03:54:20 AM
History has many examples of dictators/tyrants. It was their greed and self(ish) interests and not for the good or benefits of the general public. Let's hope that SMF survives.
I wouldn't go so far as to use such harsh words such as dictators/tyrants unless you have been intimately and personally involved.
:up:I see bright
Quote from: swampy on January 24, 2010, 04:10:50 AM
I wouldn't go so far as to use such harsh words such as dictators/tyrants unless you have been intimately and personally involved.
You are right, I should not have used such harsh words to illustrate the point that it is dangerous to have one person controlling the whole system.
Things are looking better all bans lifted today. I think this will be resolved shortly. I hope.
Ah good, did they make an announcement on lifting the bans ?
Quote from: freddy888 on January 24, 2010, 02:51:44 PM
Ah good, did they make an announcement on lifting the bans ?
I looked and publicly they haven't, probably on team boards. But either way that is great progress...
That is good news but have they given everyone back their old positions? I just hope they don't stick to their old ways.
Dang I hate to say this but have you ever seen a quilt made by committee?
There has to be a project manager that makes the final calls and at days end even the dissenters have to stfu and do their agreed upon jobs. I know that sounds harsh but that is the way all things successful come about except for blindass luck.
Generally on the net it is personality that is the breaking point and that is so damn weird because we all know on the net a person's personality comes about through the projection of others imaginings rather than actual reality.
:angel:
Yeah, but sometimes there are things "behind the scenes" that the public knows nothing about that staff may not have bargained for or may not feel is right. Sometimes, you just have to speak your mind or make a stand.
It's true that someone should be in charge like a PM, but that project manager should be voted in by the Team. This person would be in that position because of a democracy. Not because they have power over the company and people because of the position they have put themselves in.
Quote from: IchBinâ„¢ on January 24, 2010, 07:44:17 PM
It's true that someone should be in charge like a PM, but that project manager should be voted in by the Team. This person would be in that position because of a democracy. Not because they have power over the company and people because of the position they have put themselves in.
Agreed! However at days end they are expected to be mature enough to acknowledge that without user support it matters not what they do. I mean really, what would smf be if all the users said to hell with the drama and went across the street? It has happened so often, and it has happened to the best of them.
Rebellion is a cycle all sites go through. It has happened to phpbb, joomla, etc... the list is endless....
Things are not good, what will be when SMF will die, TP will die too? :( The best free software, maybe not so popular as phpBB but still the best could be dead. I thought that in this year I will see maybe a final release of SMF 2 but now Im not so sure...
Latly I feel like my avatar robot :-X
They're now talking:
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=362122.0
Lets at least give them a chance to work things out.
Thanks and yes, let's hope this is the start of something more productive.
Quote from: Zetan on January 24, 2010, 08:30:14 PM
They're now talking:
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=362122.0
Lets at least give them a chance to work things out.
Absolutely!
I tried to post this in SMF friends site, but it went down or something. :(
QuoteI have never looked around at using any other forum software.
When I was renewing the .com at godaddy.com I seen there was something called SMF that I could install.
I had not done anything with our .com name until that day, about 2 1/2 years ago.
SMF has always been able to do what ever I wanted with it and the support from the forums has been great.
But today I have read page after page of stuff that does not sound so good.
In the 2 1/2 years we have been with SMF our site has gone from fun and games to something that generate me a fair amount of income every month.
I have to wonder what I would do if there was no SMF and it maybe foolish of me to just sit around and wait to see what happens.
So I have to ask. If there was no SMF what would be your next choice for forums software?
A few SMF friends have spoken highly of IPB lately. If SMF goes down, that'll be the first one I try out. However, I do not see SMF disappearing any time soon. In fact, I'd wager say that it will be quite a while before we see any progress with SMF either good or bad.
IPB is a darn expensive way to go given all the options out there. If I had to change it would definitely be to something that is totally Joomla friendly.
It would be nice to see a release of TP beta 5 so we can at least enjoy smf2 beta to it's fullest.
If SMF will die... I will support some other free projcet like MyBB its a quite good.
I've worked with an IPB site... its ok but didn't find it as flexible as open source options with all their modders and developers.
I'd have to go for e107. It's basically a cms but does have a capable forum and it's free. ;)
TP will not die.
If SMF dies, then converters will be made, proabably NOT to paid ones like IPB. However, the project at smf-friends.org looks like the key. If SMF suvives, then i will work with both I reckon.
Maybe not but we all know what will happens with TP1.0 for SMF 2.0 right? delay :-\
Quote from: Nolt on January 25, 2010, 06:38:08 PM
Maybe not but we all know what will happens with TP1.0 for SMF 2.0 right? delay :-\
I don't see a reason for delay. Bloc has said elsewhere that the beta 5 version of TP is working quite fine on this site.
I see it works quite good on this site ;) I rather meant to say releasing in near future stable version could be kinda delayed if SMF 2 will be delayed also.
Quote from: Nolt on January 25, 2010, 09:44:13 PM
I see it works quite good on this site ;) I rather meant to say releasing in near future stable version could be kinda delayed if SMF 2 will be delayed also.
Not meaning to apply pressure, just saying if it is working good with smf2beta2 and there isn't expected to be much progress with smf2beta2 for the foreseeable future why not release TP 1.0 beta 5? To me it only makes common sense but then again I assure myself that Bloc and the team know what is best and now I best hush up before I get a smack upside the head. :)
TP 1.0 beta 5 is not ready for release yet. You shouldn't release something until the bugs are fixed.
Quote from: Skhilled on January 26, 2010, 01:41:59 PM
TP 1.0 beta 5 is not ready for release yet. You shouldn't release something until the bugs are fixed.
Indeed, because of complaints etc....I could just imagine the bug tracker :o
It would be interesting to know the percentage of completion at the moment.
maybe 50%?
By my guestimate, I'd say above 90% complete.
Ah thats good to know. thanks :)
But it's always thst last 10% that takes 90% of the time!
<Hah> It seems that way sometimes, doesn't it? :o
ZarPrime
I've recently checking a bugtracker and since 1-2months not much has been changed :/ So this 10% can take much longer than you expected o.O
Besides even if TP could be relased with with this 90% progress and 2 or 3 bugs, the community will find another +100 more ;) as it's beta. So this 10% (for me) dont looks so terrible and scary for release.
Well, I will say that the latest beta that Bloc released is much better. I think it's looking pretty dang good so far.
Sure, for 1.1.x I dont know any better portal modification. You know that most of the SMF users are quite sure to switch to SMF 2 (new options, better performance fresh look etc.) even if its RC2 stage of release. Most of TP lovers (including me) didnt swiched because... Don't lie ourselfs its more than half year since last version.
Sorry for complainings xD I just dont see any progress with this amazing software :-\
Nolt,
Believe me, there's been a lot of progress. You're probably right that most users will switch to SMF 2 once the TP version that will work with it is released but there will be some that won't, at least not immediately. This is why Bloc has written TinyPortal 1.0 beta 5 to work with both SMF 1.1.x and SMF 2.0 RC2. As Ichbin wrote, "it's looking pretty dang good so far." I would estimate that we are closer to 95% at this point than 90%, from the looks of it.
ZarPrime
You should also remember that Bloc also helps with the development of SMF. He has more on his plate that other portal creators do not have.
Well, not anymore lol, as of January 2010 I am no longer on the SMF team, nor as SMF Friend. This is due to how they have handled things in recent weeks..but I am not giving up SMF as such. The new software that maybe come out of smf-friends.org is something I look forward too, but I won't be playing a major part there either.
Lesson learned: too many things in the air, and one or several of them drops eventually. I am focusing on own projects and themes now.
Well, that will be good news for our users. ;D
That's my problem...too many things trying to get done at once. ::)
Quote from: Bloc on January 31, 2010, 09:32:00 AM
Well, not anymore lol, as of January 2010 I am no longer on the SMF team, nor as SMF Friend. This is due to how they have handled things in recent weeks..but I am not giving up SMF as such. The new software that maybe come out of smf-friends.org is something I look forward too, but I won't be playing a major part there either.
Lesson learned: too many things in the air, and one or several of them drops eventually. I am focusing on own projects and themes now.
sounds like you have lost abit of enthusiasm bloc?
Well, yeah, I won't deny that.
But I also know that to gain it back, the best thing for me is to distance myself from all the crap lol. And thats what I am doing now.
Quote from: Bloc on January 31, 2010, 09:32:00 AM
Well, not anymore lol, as of January 2010 I am no longer on the SMF team, nor as SMF Friend.
Yea, I've seen you was demoted on sm.org :/ Well, kind a not fair since you did so many there (if am I wrong you worked on Curve right?) ... but this banning was not fair for most of ppl.
Don't lose motivation to work Bloc, remeber that we believe in you. TP just kick-a**, oh and themes also ^^
Thanks. :)
Yes, thats correct, I did the design of the Curve theme(up to 14 internal revisions before the team liked it lol), and helped on converting all the templates. I guess the look of Curve sort of gives that away, now. Just a glance at the theme gallery will make that apparant. ;D
Well, if its fair or not..I don't see it that way: i did request removal of the Friends badge, and before also resigned from the team, so it was my choice all along - no matter the whys and reasosn it was only me. And giving a new and fresh(hopefully) look to SMF was never any regret about, no matter how things turned out. I also did Core theme design, but wasn't quite happy about it - but at that time people weren't ready for round headers etc. PhpBB paved the way though.
About TP and portals, lately lots of them have emerged and thats fine. Simpleportal is the most popular now, but for me it isn't/wasn't about being the most popular, rather being useful and innovative. With the TP team dragging me back to getting those bugs sorted ;) I think it will be good. And then I can focus on some of the modules I have been talking about last 2 years..(..)
A big key to the resurgence of TP will be the release of TP 1.0 Beta 5. With that site operators will flock back and you will get all sorts of feedback that will assist with future models, not to mention also all the good vibes it will create.
Simple Portal is nice, lots of goodies, but it isn't TinyPortal!!
Quote from: Bloc on January 31, 2010, 01:55:30 PM
Thanks. :)
Yes, thats correct, I did the design of the Curve theme(up to 14 internal revisions before the team liked it lol), and helped on converting all the templates. I guess the look of Curve sort of gives that away, now. Just a glance at the theme gallery will make that apparant. ;D
Well, if its fair or not..I don't see it that way: i did request removal of the Friends badge, and before also resigned from the team, so it was my choice all along - no matter the whys and reasosn it was only me. And giving a new and fresh(hopefully) look to SMF was never any regret about, no matter how things turned out. I also did Core theme design, but wasn't quite happy about it - but at that time people weren't ready for round headers etc. PhpBB paved the way though.
About TP and portals, lately lots of them have emerged and thats fine. Simpleportal is the most popular now, but for me it isn't/wasn't about being the most popular, rather being useful and innovative. With the TP team dragging me back to getting those bugs sorted ;) I think it will be good. And then I can focus on some of the modules I have been talking about last 2 years..(..)
Did you also remove the download from the sm.org site?
because i see TP isn't under the portals section any more....
since RC2, i have tested all portals on my test site... all have there pros and cons, but i have to be honest TP is the most useful.
It's the one that is the most like a CMS IMO and has its own unique features.
when i use other portals, i see little bit of TP (same features) but TP has them all.
I'm not going to lie, i have been really tempted to use another portal until TP was release for RC2, but after using them all none of them do what i need in a simple fashion.
For me TP is definalty the most useful and innovative Portal out there, so you have most achieved that Bloc
well all I can say is I love TP, and glad the development of this continues... I have used Simple Portal and in the way past MK portal, but I have to say TP is more intuitive, and has lots of good features. Not to mention the staff over here are eager to assist in helping write code, which is a BIG plus. And I am sure TP will be first place once a public release for comes out for SMF 2. :)
SN, yes, I removed it. I might add it back, but for now the package server here on TP can also update your TP. I hope to have more releases out using that, not to mention extra modules. Thanks for the comment on CMS-like lol, it was intended all along as a "mini CMS" for SMF.
Lord Anubis, totally agreed. The team here have been, and are, exceptional. :) And we managed to keep any politics out too lol.
I think its a brilliant CMS like interface for SMF. Like integramod used to be for PhpBB absolutly brilliant. its the main reason i changed over to SMF and TinyPortal.
I'm just concerned that Tinyportal is Falling behind and that others are changing away from Tinyportal because its not supporting SMF2 yet . others have had support now for months. I'm not saying its a bad thing just i feel it is chasing people away to other p[ortal software that we may never get back because its to hard to convert their exsisting portals back to TinypPortal when it comes out.
I'm prepared to wait. but now with the Trouble at SMF it may chase even more away from TinyPortal and SMF. I'm also afraid that IF SMF does go that This great Project that is TinyPortal will disappear without saupport for SMF2 Release candidate (as i see it the final release may never come with those disputes they are having at SMF) it would be a very sorry day indeed
Well, I think a great deal of people will turn away, no doubt. But for my part I have regained a lot of enthusiasm towards SMF the script, now that I no longer have anything to do with the SMF team.
So TP will continue on full speed. :)
Is TP ready to offer support? You know this house will be jumpin' once tp5 is released. ;)
You really think so? I hope you're right. ::) I think we'll be able to handle it.
Beta 5 is going to be worlds better wrt being more user intuitive. In other words, so far, from my experience, it's much easier to use than previous versions. When used with SMF 2.0 RC2, there is a TinyPortal menu right on the FrontPage and/or Forum BoardIndex so that you don't have to go into Admin first. I would go so far as to say that because of it's ease of use, we won't get nearly as many questions on how to use it or how to do things than we did in previous versions. I think a majority of the questions we receive are going to be how to fix the occasional bug thats going to pop up. This should make life a little easier. Also, people are going to have to realize that a lot of the block code snippets that worked great on their TP 1.1.x sites just aren't going to work at all with this new version. They will have to be edited to work properly or just discarded in favor of something else. That will take some time. I'm hoping that people will be patient with us. ;)
Of course, this is all just my opinion. Some of the other members of the Team may have a different take on it.
ZarPrime
I think you described pretty good, ZP.
Some of screens in TP admin have been merged, and some simplified, just to ease the complexity. And as the menu now has direct links into the most used TP admin sections(it also give a menu if you only have part access to them) it should be easier to work with.
Quote from: Bloc on February 10, 2010, 10:12:02 AM
I think you described pretty good, ZP.
Some of screens in TP admin have been merged, and some simplified, just to ease the complexity. And as the menu now has direct links into the most used TP admin sections(it also give a menu if you only have part access to them) it should be easier to work with.
Jesus! I feel like I'm a 10 years old again waiting for Christmas lol
It's sounding good!
Quote from: SN on February 10, 2010, 10:25:25 AM
Quote from: Bloc on February 10, 2010, 10:12:02 AM
I think you described pretty good, ZP.
Some of screens in TP admin have been merged, and some simplified, just to ease the complexity. And as the menu now has direct links into the most used TP admin sections(it also give a menu if you only have part access to them) it should be easier to work with.
Jesus! I feel like I'm a 10 years old again waiting for Christmas lol
i've waited for christmas, new years and other special events as i was thinking that TP will time the release of TP1.0 in these special days.. well... another christmas and new year passed by and im still waiting.. hope it is not too far...
Quote from: ajg on February 17, 2010, 04:44:23 AM
i've waited for christmas, new years and other special events as i was thinking that TP will time the release of TP1.0 in these special days.. well... another christmas and new year passed by and im still waiting.. hope it is not too far...
looks like it's 1st April then ;)
^ if that's the case, it will be the best april fool's joke, then... ;D
ummm they did that before :D haha
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