I just posted the quoted thread on SMF boards for requested features. I got to thinking about it and thought I probably should mention it here as well.
The TP might very well accomdate a Blog better than a forums like SMF, which formats like a forums. The formatting and theme don't provide a best appearance or functionality for a Blog.
IMO, forums will all have Blogs very soon. The nature of the beast is so similar, but adequate presentation of each is very different. Blog appearance is generally more refined and reflect quality of content. Forums are more structured and less refined, color and graphics are much more important.
The self promotion features of blogs and interrelationships between blog sites also builds traffic a lot faster and easier than a forums.
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Blogs are becoming almost a necessity on sites. The newsmedia, television, radio, etc. are constantly mentioning blogs on their broadcasts and in print. Blogs are a fast becoming a major communication media.
Blogs are similar, but very different from a forums. Blogs are articles written by one person with provisions for users to comment upon the information.
I compare a Blog to someone standing on a soapbox making a speech on a specific subject and those hearing may only comment, not discuss the speech. The creator of the Blog may not alter or otherwide change what was said in the original document. THerefore the content is usually well prepared and complete.
A forums is about a conversation among persons on a particular subject, with each making his own points. A forum thread can take on the tone of an argument or other discourse on the subject. The conversational tone to a forums is different from a blog, because the posters may not make a point of interest immediately because they are waiting for a response from others to bring their point home.
I think it is time for Blogs and Forums to co-exist on all sites. Keeping users interested in forums has already driven devs to the point of having all kinds of Karma, points for postings,etc. The avatars sigs, ability to upload files, show graphics, etc. All the gimmics we can put together to keep interest in our forums.
Blogs are here now and interest in Blogs is growing fast. THe ideal mechanism for developing competent blogs is available now "forums" software. The RSS ability the tracking, etc are all applied features in most current forums along with competent registrations,etc.
I recently built a Blog site using wordpress and to be honest I'm afraid that baby is gonna tank fast when the spammers and hackers get to it. It's like I'm almost afraid to meta that thing or put out the RSS, etc.
I'm hoping the SMF team will read this post and seriously consider a competent Blogs as part of the core, but make it format like a BLOG not a forums
Willie smoked weed up on top of the Whitehouse back in the 60's..hehe...so they say.
Quote from: Ã,“cripÃ,†on February 01, 2007, 06:53:33 PM
Willie smoked weed up on top of the Whitehouse back in the 60's..hehe...so they say.
He'd be right at home then, wouldn't he?
Sure enough.. :)
I would like this to be integrated into TP To :D since Felblog doesnt work very well :-\
Just as the "Wikistyle" theme makes the forum posts appear in a WIKI format, a theme could be developed that makes the forum appear in a BLOG format. This wouldn't require a bunch of modding and hacking - just a carefully designed forum layout.
my .02
FROG.....in everything
Quote from: frogimus on February 01, 2007, 08:52:31 PM
Just as the "Wikistyle" theme makes the forum posts appear in a WIKI format, a theme could be developed that makes the forum appear in a BLOG format. This wouldn't require a bunch of modding and hacking - just a carefully designed forum layout.
my .02
FROG.....in everything
I wouldn't want to go that far. The RSS and keeping spammers out of the comments is a big deal. Spammers can load down your server so fast... THere are some tools that are needed above and beyond re-formatting and changing a few lines of code in the articles or something along those lines.
Bloc may have already looked into this.
It's just I'm thinking now is the time, because BLOGS ARE HOT!
The theme idea is part of it ... but there needs to be a custom sort for the blogs.
A comment cannot bump an old blog entry like a reply to a topic does in a forum.
SMF has their Simple Blogs mod, but the developer is no longer supporting it and there was some sort of security issue. I have since removed it.
I'd be nice to have a replacement :up:
Yes it would :D
lol repeating
Quote from: RoarinRow on February 01, 2007, 09:40:04 PM
SMF has their Simple Blogs mod, but the developer is no longer supporting it and there was some sort of security issue.Ã, I have since removed it.Ã,Â
I'd be nice to have a replacementÃ, Ã, :up:
I am still waiting to hear what the security issue is?
But there is another blog in development. ;)
Quote from: seaofsin on February 01, 2007, 10:50:47 PM
Quote from: RoarinRow on February 01, 2007, 09:40:04 PM
SMF has their Simple Blogs mod, but the developer is no longer supporting it and there was some sort of security issue. I have since removed it.
I'd be nice to have a replacement :up:
I am still waiting to hear what the security issue is?
But there is another blog in development. ;)
I wasn't gonna wait around to find out what it was then be attacked due to the security issue :o
Hope the next one is a keeper.
TP should create something and it would be like.
index.php?action=tpadmin;sa=blogs (admin link)
index.php?action=tpblogs;sa=thenametheychose (everyone link)
Brianjw
Quote from: brianjw on February 01, 2007, 11:09:12 PM
TP should create something and it would be like.
index.php?action=tpadmin;sa=blogs (admin link)
index.php?action=tpblogs;sa=thenametheychose (everyone link)
Brianjw
Sounds good to me. When does your mod come out brian? ;D
Quote from: RoarinRow on February 01, 2007, 11:13:02 PM
Quote from: brianjw on February 01, 2007, 11:09:12 PM
TP should create something and it would be like.
index.php?action=tpadmin;sa=blogs (admin link)
index.php?action=tpblogs;sa=thenametheychose (everyone link)
Brianjw
Sounds good to me. When does your mod come out brian? ;D
lol. i couldnt do that i dont even know how to create a theme which is less hard :P lol :2funny:
Quote from: iowamf on February 01, 2007, 09:07:21 PM
The theme idea is part of it ... but there needs to be a custom sort for the blogs.
A comment cannot bump an old blog entry like a reply to a topic does in a forum.
I thought there was a mod available to keep replies from bumping the thread. I'll have to look it up...
Well the tpblog part of it has to be done with bloc because obviously to be a TP Blog you have to get Bloc to help other wise it would just be a blog :P
lol
Brianjw
If the blogs counted towards their post count, my peeps would use it more :2funny:
I am making a planning sheet for what it should be like but I will not make it, lol :2funny:!
It should have a easy way for users to edit the blog posts they already had, delete blog posts, delete entire blog, add blog post.
It should have an easy admin for it deciding if the user is allowed to delete, edit, or add blog posts to his/her blog.
It should count toward their post count and money for the shop if you have it.
It should display the users avatar and part of there profile just like in posts but in a new look and bloggy looking :P
Brianjw - lol :2funny:
In fact..I read your post at SMF, and while it isn't really suitable for SMF itself (after all, its a forum software, aiming to do what a forum should provide in the best way it can), it can certainly be a mod...or even more logical: since a blog feature will combine two worlds, its more on the path of portal software than forum software.
TP can really use a blog feature. Now, we have FelBlog, which is (or will be) a module you can plugin into TP. I can't say how it goes, since its Felines project and you have to wait for her response..but here a thought or two about TP's future that might be interesting:
Right now TP has articles and categories. Articles have a simple comment and a rating system and is also linked to frontpage ..in that last articles can be shown etc. Its just minor steps from being an article, to being a simple blog. What I like to add is an option to expand categories in a way that they can treat its articles in different ways. It can be as easy as showing the category as pure links instead of the actual articles, or just the icons for example - or not show it at all(for simple archiving purposes). It can also be that it treats articles and child categories as for example individual "blogs", one per user... The key here is simplicity, in that the changes aren't too complex, so the versatility can be kept.
3 more things are needed:
1.) member permissions, quite cruical to both articles and "blogs". 2.) Links that are "index.php?page=mypage" instead of/in addition to "index.php?page=23" and 3.) search within articles, also very handy.
So while I won't say that this and this will be in, the idea of TP offering a simple blog is quite possible.
wouldnt it be easier to use www.lifetype.net and try to combine the useraccounts? only an idea, i would like to do this if i knew php. but smf, tp and lifetype together would be wonderful.
Sure, we can build bridges and thats what some do too..but TP was all about keeping things in a nice compact, SMF-only format. Easier to keep track of SMF software changes, easily installed/un-installed etc. Otherwise you end up having 4-5 scripts going along..just to have the features a "portal" should have.
It seems like re-inventing the wheel..and in a way it does, but I have alwasy been fond of the all-you-need-in-one-go type when done efficiently and not adding everything you can...:P
Quote from: Bloc on February 02, 2007, 09:15:47 AM
In fact..I read your post at SMF, and while it isn't really suitable for SMF itself (after all, its a forum software, aiming to do what a forum should provide in the best way it can), it can certainly be a mod...or even more logical: since a blog feature will combine two worlds, its more on the path of portal software than forum software.
TP can really use a blog feature. Now, we have FelBlog, which is (or will be) a module you can plugin into TP. I can't say how it goes, since its Felines project and you have to wait for her response..but here a thought or two about TP's future that might be interesting:
Right now TP has articles and categories. Articles have a simple comment and a rating system and is also linked to frontpage ..in that last articles can be shown etc. Its just minor steps from being an article, to being a simple blog. What I like to add is an option to expand categories in a way that they can treat its articles in different ways. It can be as easy as showing the category as pure links instead of the actual articles, or just the icons for example - or not show it at all(for simple archiving purposes). It can also be that it treats articles and child categories as for example individual "blogs", one per user... The key here is simplicity, in that the changes aren't too complex, so the versatility can be kept.
3 more things are needed:
1.) member permissions, quite cruical to both articles and "blogs". 2.) Links that are "index.php?page=mypage" instead of/in addition to "index.php?page=23" and 3.) search within articles, also very handy.
So while I won't say that this and this will be in, the idea of TP offering a simple blog is quite possible.
One important issue most miss is there is a real need for a security level most sites don't require. The comments leaves open a huge door for spammer abuse, which is pretty well handled in Wordpress by the ASKIMET plug-in combined with Bad Behaviour.
IMO, I see the frontrunners on sites with forums including Blogs. Blogs are being discussed all over TV news shows. I watch CNN and it has even become common practice to interview Bloggers on national TV. Bloggers may be a sort of fade, but their contributions are valid. The people get to speak through blogs, and they are doing it.
I like the idea of blogs, because it's common practice to self promote your site with other bloggers, etc. A blog article can be all over the internet in a couple days, which is unheard of for a forums posting.
When you say simple blog, that runs a flag up for me. I mean simple anything just means it'll never do the job on a producton site. Sorry, I'm not picking on you. (encouragement) If you decide to do a Blog...do it right so it's a viable part of the TP.
Thanks for a good informative response.
Oh, I never try to do something half-way. :) I am just cautious as TP's primary mission isn't being a blog software - but its also closer to it than SMF will be. So don't be put-off by a term like "simple". TP has always meant to be "simple" - a direct contrast to being bloated and slowing its main engine, SMF, down.
But I see your point in for example spamming. The comment system on articles isn't really safe as of now, that has to be improved. In short, the magnitude of possible abuse isn't adressed much yet.
This is awesome :D may be a feature of tp :yay:!
Yes, a blog functionality with in TP would be great!
If I wasn't such a noob I would try and make something like this: ChosenFool (http://www.chosenfool.com/forums/index.php), but I guess I have to wait for Bloc to use his magig or Chosenfool to make his/hers template available :knuppel2: :coolsmiley:
Quote from: mictur on February 04, 2007, 03:07:40 PM
If I wasn't such a noob I would try and make something like this: ChosenFool (http://www.chosenfool.com/forums/index.php),
you dont know how to create a board and give it a title of blog?
wish somone would explain to the simple people how smf blogs.simplemachines.org , was created
open source anyone?
Well I do know how to post messages one after another, but that's not what I'm after. :(
I'd like to see a plug in that works similar to the likes of wordpress etc. Since I do however lack the skills in programming I'm not demanding anything, just putting my wishes forward.
Quote from: Assistance on February 13, 2007, 05:58:26 AM
Quote from: mictur on February 04, 2007, 03:07:40 PM
If I wasn't such a noob I would try and make something like this: ChosenFool (http://www.chosenfool.com/forums/index.php),
you dont know how to create a board and give it a title of blog?
wish somone would explain to the simple people how smf blogs.simplemachines.org , was created
open source anyone?
That is a custom written script by one of the SMF devs..but similar results(minus the avatar maybe) can be achived with ssi function BoardNews. Simply assign a board as the "blog" board, and call the function, then render first message as the "blog" and the rest as comments. Using a special version of Post.template, which check which board its posted in and show different page for it, you can have your own simple post/edit/read-like-blog section.
I look forward to seeing something done with this. I'm sure I'm not the only one that would love to beta test this!
YA I WANNA BETA TEST :D
If you are looking for a blog mod you can check out this
http://www.johncarpenterforum.com/snake
Quote from: seaofsin on February 21, 2007, 03:25:29 AM
If you are looking for a blog mod you can check out this
http://www.johncarpenterforum.com/snake
Your point is taken. I think the difficulty with a forums type format is the public of users are used to a type for formatting that is uniquely addressed. The format of Bloc Manuscript gives the quality of appearance and display that infers quality of content.
I think quality of content and easy readability is very important with blogs. The Joomla CMS doesn't address Blogs well, but Wordpress does it extremely well.
It's important not to try to change the wheel from being round. Let's keep Blog appearance, formatting and operation of a blog...just like people expect in a blog.
In other words, the Blog is the Blog and nothing else. The forums is the forums and nothing else. You can link the two easily from TP, and have Blog/Forums site that would be teriffic.
THen we need to add a Wiki.. LOL
I just came from the SMF site. SMF has a dedicated blog category. The click on was in the rotating news line at the top of the page.
Blogs are such a HOT ITEM right now. I'm not surprised at all to see a Blog section on the SMF site. It's just not appropriately done or easily found.
Blogs are a natural spin-off from forums, because so many security issues have already been addressed over time with forums.
If the forums devs keep the forums type formats for their Blogs, or make users wade through the forums to get to Blogs, they will not be of much interest to users. Users will respond to separate standing Blogs apart from forums. The Blog formats must be site pages rather than forums categories or forums, in disguise.
There must be plenty of access to sharing of RSS and other information with the Blogging community built in, a good comments system, and strong Spam protection. Video, photos, sound files must be allowed and adequately secure software to support them is important.
The editor must have broad functionality and still have enough security provisions built in. Some permissions levels must also provide ability for trusted users to use HTML or PHP in postings as well.
i just did what Bloc said
now i have a blog
TP + SMF makes it rather easier then one would expect
it actually goes againt what domineaux said
" Let's keep Blog appearance, formatting and operation of a blog...just like people expect in a blog. "
why do something just cause everyone else does?
hardly seems creative and rather limited by expectations
the irony of all this
I used Bloc's theme Simplicity (hacked up the links sections)
TP Article w/ ssi_boardNews(20,5);
and made a hidden board added child board
looks like a blog, acts like a blog it must be a assblog
Quote from: Assistance on February 22, 2007, 12:38:11 AM
i just did what Bloc said
now i have a blog
TP + SMF makes it rather easier then one would expect
it actually goes againt what domineaux said
" Let's keep Blog appearance, formatting and operation of a blog...just like people expect in a blog. "
why do something just cause everyone else does?
hardly seems creative and rather limited by expectations
the irony of all this
I used Bloc's theme Simplicity (hacked up the links sections)
TP Article w/ ssi_boardNews(20,5);
and made a hidden board added child board
looks like a blog, acts like a blog it must be a assblog
I would like to do that; how do you hide boards? ???
create a cat (Cat 1)
add a board < visible to no one > (board 1)
create a child board parent to board 1, and make visible to readers (reply only)
I tried it, but its not worth it to me :-\
I WANT A MOD :D
>:D
ya I wanted a mod too, but just like waiting on a mod, u have to wait on updates
Do you have a website that I can see how this further integrates into the software?
And can you break down further how to do this (yes I'm a mental midget!). I'm using the TP Enterprise theme.
Assistance, you made mention of how the child board "make visible to readers (reply only)". What if you want members to be able to create their own blogs as well?
you could give them their own child board, and member group for that board/per person/group
or just have any post a blog, then replys as normal (checked)
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is the first part of your post directed at me ?
or beta mod?
Quote from: Assistance on February 22, 2007, 04:35:53 PM
you could give them their own child board, and member group for that board/per person/group
or just have any post a blog, then replys as normal (checked)
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is the first part of your post directed at me ?
or beta mod?
I apologize for not being clear. Yes, it was directed at you.
http://www.chosenfool.com looks like a blog. but i dont see any article category
Take a look here: http://www.zeriyt.com/component/option,com_smf/forumi,informatik/Itemid,45/action,revista_informatike
What do you think?
Nice topic Guys
I for one would love to see someone come up with a blog. I have been searching for months for some way to get one. SMF had no frills one, but pulled it because of bug issues.
I have been looking for something to facilitate user blogs also. The best I could come up with is a Catagory called "Blogs" on my forums and within this catagory, I created boards by the name of the User. Then I created a member group by that user's name.
I assigned that board's local permissions to allow the user group to have full control over the board while removing all permissions but reply, report, rate, etc. for the rest of the community including moderators.
Upsides: We have a blog, it's security is the forum security, and the users are responsible for it's moderation
Downside: setup takes about 3 min per board and it looks like a forum.
I have been looking at alot of CMS's and I cannot locate one that works like SMF/TP and includes a user controlled blog feature. I hope TP is able to get one working.
I put up two blogs to show what they look like
http://www.loudmouths.org/forums/index.php?action=forum
Blogs are at the bottom.
Quote from: Neobane on March 28, 2007, 10:05:48 PM
I have been looking for something to facilitate user blogs also. The best I could come up with is a Catagory called "Blogs" on my forums and within this catagory, I created boards by the name of the User. Then I created a member group by that user's name.
I assigned that board's local permissions to allow the user group to have full control over the board while removing all permissions but reply, report, rate, etc. for the rest of the community including moderators.
I've done the same thing... I don't see why you need to create a Member Group for each user?!? Thats just a tedious task of Block permissions.
I just made each member Moderator of their own board with the board permissions.
ZTN
That is a whole lot of room they are taking up if you have a lot of members. I am looking for something that can actually be part of their profile. Features like favorite music, favorite art, a bunch of things they can answer about themselves and then blogs themselves. It would also be nice if they could maybe choose from a few different backgrounds, but I guess that is where the theme comes in. Sigh, I will keep looking.
I would really LOVE to have a default blog for all my members. :)
Well there is blog for smf smfhacks.com has one but the guy for soem odd reason didn't release 1.1.2 even if he state he did ? " check out the comments" before you download anything.
I've been watching this thread for a while.
Recently, I put up a posting about installing Wordpress as a standalone and then accessing it through a wrapper from TP.
It was so darned simple. I'm ashamed to say, "why in the world did I put it off so long".
I used the code - I added an article inserted one line of code with the link to Wordpress standalone URL. I used the button generator and made a small change in the horz menu at the top, pointing to the WP URL.
Voila! I've got a most competent Blog tool. I really like it because it has it's own MySql database and all mods to it are respective to the WP alone.
Search on iframe and you'll have it. Here is my one line of code. :2funny:
<iframe src="http://mydomain.com/WP/" width="100%" height="900"></iframe>
That works good domineaux, but you may like this even better. (no scroll bars inside the iframe)
<script type="text/javascript">
/***********************************************
* IFrame SSI script II- Ã,© Dynamic Drive DHTML code library (http://www.dynamicdrive.com)
* Visit DynamicDrive.com for hundreds of original DHTML scripts
* This notice must stay intact for legal use
***********************************************/
//Input the IDs of the IFRAMES you wish to dynamically resize to match its content height:
//Separate each ID with a comma. Examples: ["myframe1", "myframe2"] or ["myframe"] or [] for none:
var iframeids=["myframe"]
//Should script hide iframe from browsers that don't support this script (non IE5+/NS6+ browsers. Recommended):
var iframehide="yes"
var getFFVersion=navigator.userAgent.substring(navigator.userAgent.indexOf("Firefox")).split("/")[1]
var FFextraHeight=parseFloat(getFFVersion)>=0.1? 16 : 0 //extra height in px to add to iframe in FireFox 1.0+ browsers
function resizeCaller() {
var dyniframe=new Array()
for (i=0; i<iframeids.length; i++){
if (document.getElementById)
resizeIframe(iframeids)
//reveal iframe for lower end browsers? (see var above):
if ((document.all || document.getElementById) && iframehide=="no"){
var tempobj=document.all? document.all[iframeids] : document.getElementById(iframeids)
tempobj.style.display="block"
}
}
}
function resizeIframe(frameid){
var currentfr=document.getElementById(frameid)
if (currentfr && !window.opera){
currentfr.style.display="block"
if (currentfr.contentDocument && currentfr.contentDocument.body.offsetHeight) //ns6 syntax
currentfr.height = currentfr.contentDocument.body.offsetHeight+FFextraHeight;
else if (currentfr.Document && currentfr.Document.body.scrollHeight) //ie5+ syntax
currentfr.height = currentfr.Document.body.scrollHeight;
if (currentfr.addEventListener)
currentfr.addEventListener("load", readjustIframe, false)
else if (currentfr.attachEvent){
currentfr.detachEvent("onload", readjustIframe) // Bug fix line
currentfr.attachEvent("onload", readjustIframe)
}
}
}
function readjustIframe(loadevt) {
var crossevt=(window.event)? event : loadevt
var iframeroot=(crossevt.currentTarget)? crossevt.currentTarget : crossevt.srcElement
if (iframeroot)
resizeIframe(iframeroot.id);
}
function loadintoIframe(iframeid, url){
if (document.getElementById)
document.getElementById(iframeid).src=url
}
if (window.addEventListener)
window.addEventListener("load", resizeCaller, false)
else if (window.attachEvent)
window.attachEvent("onload", resizeCaller)
else
window.onload=resizeCaller
</script>
<iframe id="myframe" src="http://www.YOUR_SITE.com/wordpress/" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" vspace="0" hspace="0" style="width: 100%; display: none;" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>
Quote from: ken.kimbrell on March 29, 2007, 07:13:53 PM
That works good domineaux, but you may like this even better. (no scroll bars inside the iframe)
<script type="text/javascript">
/***********************************************
* IFrame SSI script II- Ã,© Dynamic Drive DHTML code library (http://www.dynamicdrive.com)
* Visit DynamicDrive.com for hundreds of original DHTML scripts
* This notice must stay intact for legal use
***********************************************/
//Input the IDs of the IFRAMES you wish to dynamically resize to match its content height:
//Separate each ID with a comma. Examples: ["myframe1", "myframe2"] or ["myframe"] or [] for none:
var iframeids=["myframe"]
//Should script hide iframe from browsers that don't support this script (non IE5+/NS6+ browsers. Recommended):
var iframehide="yes"
var getFFVersion=navigator.userAgent.substring(navigator.userAgent.indexOf("Firefox")).split("/")[1]
var FFextraHeight=parseFloat(getFFVersion)>=0.1? 16 : 0 //extra height in px to add to iframe in FireFox 1.0+ browsers
function resizeCaller() {
var dyniframe=new Array()
for (i=0; i<iframeids.length; i++){
if (document.getElementById)
resizeIframe(iframeids)
//reveal iframe for lower end browsers? (see var above):
if ((document.all || document.getElementById) && iframehide=="no"){
var tempobj=document.all? document.all[iframeids] : document.getElementById(iframeids)
tempobj.style.display="block"
}
}
}
function resizeIframe(frameid){
var currentfr=document.getElementById(frameid)
if (currentfr && !window.opera){
currentfr.style.display="block"
if (currentfr.contentDocument && currentfr.contentDocument.body.offsetHeight) //ns6 syntax
currentfr.height = currentfr.contentDocument.body.offsetHeight+FFextraHeight;
else if (currentfr.Document && currentfr.Document.body.scrollHeight) //ie5+ syntax
currentfr.height = currentfr.Document.body.scrollHeight;
if (currentfr.addEventListener)
currentfr.addEventListener("load", readjustIframe, false)
else if (currentfr.attachEvent){
currentfr.detachEvent("onload", readjustIframe) // Bug fix line
currentfr.attachEvent("onload", readjustIframe)
}
}
}
function readjustIframe(loadevt) {
var crossevt=(window.event)? event : loadevt
var iframeroot=(crossevt.currentTarget)? crossevt.currentTarget : crossevt.srcElement
if (iframeroot)
resizeIframe(iframeroot.id);
}
function loadintoIframe(iframeid, url){
if (document.getElementById)
document.getElementById(iframeid).src=url
}
if (window.addEventListener)
window.addEventListener("load", resizeCaller, false)
else if (window.attachEvent)
window.attachEvent("onload", resizeCaller)
else
window.onload=resizeCaller
</script>
<iframe id="myframe" src="http://www.YOUR_SITE.com/wordpress/" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" vspace="0" hspace="0" style="width: 100%; display: none;" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>
Right...
I do have scroll bars.
I spent most of the day after you and I visited trying to implement the wrapper iframe thingy. I kept getting the banner part of the wordpress until I just went to the one liner of code.
I do appreciate your writing your posting on this. I was pretty well resigned to just having the scroll bars. It is extremely nice of you to put up the response.
This will help others as well
Thanks
Oops, I got ahead of myself. I still only get the first 150+pixels of the header when I use this script.
I wonder if the TP articles is adding some returns or something in the code.
Quote from: domineaux on March 29, 2007, 07:19:55 PM
I spent most of the day after you and I visited trying to implement the wrapper iframe thingy. I kept getting the banner part of the wordpress until I just went to the one liner of code.
My short term memory strikes again! :-\
I had forgotten that we visited this issue before... mine works OK now, don't really know why because no changes were made.
Here is a trick that I've tried:
Go to the end of the last line of code, hit your return/enter key and then add a "."
That adds white space below my WordPress page thats inside the iframe. I don't know if that's a real fix or not, but it did add a little space to the end of the page.
I also tried just hitting the enter key a couple of times but that didn't seem to do anything to the page.
http://www.mykimbrell.com/FamilyForum/index.php?action=WordPress
I dont get it, how this is related to TP blogs? This is SMF with Wordpress blog , but you got to register on both sides in order to let members create their blogs?
This thread took the twists and turns that it did because unfortunately at this point there is no really good solution for this issue.
There is a bridge that is supposed to take WordPress member data and tie it to SMF, but from what I have read it is not working to well.
Butââ,¬Â¦ for many people, like me and others here, we need a bridge that will go the other direction and bridge WP to our existing SMF member database.
As for the other blogs that are or have been available, itââ,¬â,,¢s MHO the FelBlog was the best for a TP/SMF forum but it doesnââ,¬â,,¢t play well with current versions of TP & SMF because Feline has not updated her software for several months now.
For now itââ,¬â,,¢s WordPress in an iframe for me, hopefully Feline will update her FelBlog at some point in the future. :)
This works for me. I messed around with themes and found one that only has about twenty pixels of horz scroll at the bottom.
<iframe src="http://mydomain.com/WP/" width="100%" height="900"></iframe>
I never could get the above larger script to work.
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I'm going say something here that might be worth something to someone. I quit doing fully integrated sites over three years ago. I could care less about the dual logins for users.
In the case of forums or Blog, yes I have a dual login. I don't care, because I remember having rebuildt a bunch of sites after hackers took them apart.
Most people don't seem to know this. Most hackers and crackers don't even build their hacks until they are aware of a vulnerability in certain type of site. In fact, most hackers don't waste their time trying to innovate and hack some CMS or other. The hackers know that for the most part people that build sites, especially open-source are not the most serious devs. Whenever a security patch comes out most devs don't even apply the patch...sometimes for months. This gives the hackers a great deal of time to mess up a bunch of sites, which is what they do.
You want to find security vulnerabilities...do a google on security upgrade, security patch, security update, etc. You'll find a myriad of places where the core dev has posted about site vulnerabilities. In fact, often the vulnerability can be researched so you know exactly what it fixes. :2funny:
The hackers aren't that smart about it. They just take the easy routes and there are plenty of them.
If you want to find some sites to hack...Google on SMF, Xoops, Joomla, etc. or what ever the security patches you found apply. You'll find a zillion sites, because Open-Source code is loaded with the original core devs information. I mean if you go into SMF you'll hundreds of instances of the word SMF, it's the same with Xoops, Joomla, Drupal, etc.
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I try to open up my sites to users, and only put registration on parts of my site that users can upload or add information to my databases.
I will use a Joomla, Xoops, Drupal or other CMS as an open site. I don't allow users to add anything in the open part of my sites. I only allow input from users in the forums, or wordpress or Coppermine or other application that has it's own security, database and login.
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I realize there is always the bit about coordinating themes and dual logins, but you'll either get over that are get to learn some hard lessons.
I use WP on I Frame too :up: http://www.midwestavalancheclub.com/index.php?www;action=blogs
So what you guy's are saying is that its posibile that, members can create their own blog's with wordpress installed ? and smf bridge ?........
Hm nice! if true, any demos? I would like to start more towards blogging with my site, so people have more options to argue and discuss about :) .... ( signature )
Quote from: majo on March 30, 2007, 03:10:00 AM
So what you guy's are saying is that its posibile that, members can create their own blog's with wordpress installed ? and smf bridge ?........
Hm nice! if true, any demos?
Well... almost! ;)
By using the iframe code posted earlier in this thread in a TP Article you can pull WordPress into your TP/SMF forum and your members can sign up for the WP blog, but it will be a separate login from the SMF login. Currently there is no bridge that Iââ,¬â,,¢m aware of that will enable WP to use the SMF member data.
My WP works with the longer (auto-resizing) version of the code and you can see it at the link below.
http://www.mykimbrell.com/FamilyForum/index.php?action=WordPress
Well, it's a temp solution that at least gives them a blog until either FelBlog is patched (she says she won't update it until TP 1.0) or a module is made.
To try to bring this idea back on track, is there anything we can do as a community to get development on an addon blog system?
I think this would be awsome project if i knew php that much i would do it, since time allows me. Anyways i start to like blogs :) and also what eventualy i would love to see is that users can change their profiles! i mean like "myspace" you know?
I would also like a smf/tp blog feature.
I would not want a blog. I hate those things. The amount of deeply personal information people are willing to post all over the Web, to me, is unbelievable. :smiley6600: And it's all an "ego trip" for the blogger. I'm not interested, sorry.
Blogs and boards are polar opposites.
I think there is room for both, I mean I am not into blogs but some people are...good for them. I should point out too that many older forms of web communication are still going after all these years...remember the old LISTSERV type email lists, and the scrolling bulletin boards (such as boardhost)? They are still going. Forums will be here for a while.
Lady L
Quote from: lady_l on April 06, 2007, 07:41:23 AM
I would not want a blog. I hate those things. The amount of deeply personal information people are willing to post all over the Web, to me, is unbelievable. :smiley6600: And it's all an "ego trip" for the blogger. I'm not interested, sorry.
Blogs and boards are polar opposites.
I think there is room for both, I mean I am not into blogs but some people are...good for them. I should point out too that many older forms of web communication are still going after all these years...remember the old LISTSERV type email lists, and the scrolling bulletin boards (such as boardhost)? They are still going. Forums will be here for a while.
Lady L
Quote from: lady_l on April 06, 2007, 07:41:23 AM
I would not want a blog. I hate those things. The amount of deeply personal information people are willing to post all over the Web, to me, is unbelievable. :smiley6600: And it's all an "ego trip" for the blogger. I'm not interested, sorry.
Blogs and boards are polar opposites.
I think there is room for both, I mean I am not into blogs but some people are...good for them. I should point out too that many older forms of web communication are still going after all these years...remember the old LISTSERV type email lists, and the scrolling bulletin boards (such as boardhost)? They are still going. Forums will be here for a while.
Lady L
Ok, you convinced me. Now convince CNN, CBS, MSNBC, and all the major main stream media. The MM is jumping all over Blogs, even promoting them from their broadcasts, by interviewing bloggers, etc.
Blogs can make the difference in an active site. Forums do as good a job, but the content is "too enclosed" and ends up lost after a few threads reside atop it. Blogs are out there month after month, highly visible and comments alway reside under the original postings. This gives blogs an importance and stature not achieveable with forums.
Blogs provide a podioum or soapbox for the writer. The blogger says his peace as eloquently and competently as possible. Then readers can comment as it pleases them.
Blogs can turn into forums, if the admin allows the original poster to enter replies to comments made by others. Sad to say that is the way of it on many blog sites.
Just because you think there are enough things for people to use to communicate is not forward thinking. I realize you may be content with status-quo, but that is not the way of the internet.
There will always be new exciting things going on, and that should be fun for all. It will keep you thinking young and part of the maintstream of happening things.
Still doesn't mean I need an IPOD :2funny:
I wouldn't want to take up board space for each member or even the task like Zetan said about going to each block and editing the permissions. What I do for the moment (still hoping TP will integrate one into their system some day or a good mod will come out for this with no bugs :D) is I have a board for Member Blogs and each user has there own topic, so they don't really get to have their own blog for each day or whatever, but they have a topic, and I also have a rule that you must decide whether to post weekly, daily, or monthly ;)
Brianjw
Quote from: Brianjw on April 10, 2007, 12:54:35 AM
I wouldn't want to take up board space for each member or even the task like Zetan said about going to each block and editing the permissions. What I do for the moment (still hoping TP will integrate one into their system some day or a good mod will come out for this with no bugs :D) is I have a board for Member Blogs and each user has there own topic, so they don't really get to have their own blog for each day or whatever, but they have a topic, and I also have a rule that you must decide whether to post weekly, daily, or monthly ;)
Brianjw
I put the wordpress inside the iframe and Voila! I've got a competent blog with all the features and addons of wordpress. I don't have to sweat it if a security patch comes out. Sure I've got a dual login, but not a problem. Many blogs don't even allow you to post to them, only comments.
I've not heard a single complaint about the dual login.
Pssssst - I don't consider it to be a temporary solution. There are just so many addons and enough themes you can find something close enough for integrating.
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Putting all your eggs in one basket (complete integration) seems like the cool way to do things. I can't tell you how many times using the CMS apps I've had to rebuild sites, and most integrated sites with most apps were always a nightmare to fix.
Now if Wordpress issues a patch or upgrade it's not a big problem. I only have to deal with wordpress addons that may not work with the upgrade.
Seriously, I use standalones for just about everything. I think the most integrated app I now use is the TP/SMF. I use standalone galleries, CMS, blogs,shopping carts,etc. I'd use a standalone TP if one were available.
One thing I do is open up my sites as much as possible. I'm only interested in logins/registrations if users can add or edit information on the server.
Does wordpress allow members to make their own blog, i thought it was just for the owner and they can make comments. Also: Someone should integrate wordpress with smf so they don't have to register all over again. :)
Quote from: Brianjw on April 10, 2007, 01:04:14 AM
Does wordpress allow members to make their own blog, i thought it was just for the owner and they can make comments. Also: Someone should integrate wordpress with smf so they don't have to register all over again. :)
Yes Wordpress has a Blog for the lazy or non-devs. You can also create your own blog site with a large number of add-ons and themes.
Registration is not a hassle. Think about how many times you have to register now. The iframes solution pulls in the Blog just below my horizontal TP menu. Users have to register and login and I've not gotten one complaint about it on the sites I have blogs.
Don't worry over the dual login, think about how great it will be if you have a security issue. Your databases are separate. A hacker can't nail your entire site, and you can apply security updates immediately.
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Pssssst - I don't consider it to be a temporary solution. There are just so many addons and enough themes you can find something close enough for integrating.
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Thatââ,¬â,,¢s the way I look at it as wellââ,¬Â¦ If someone ever writes a bridge that will let WP use the SMF member database that will be great but if not then Iââ,¬â,,¢ll live with it as is.
Yep. I use wordpress with iframe ::)
Wordpress is a nice system but I am looking for something better for integration, something that will be integrated like "Felblog" except felblog almost crashed my forum :( it was a good blog system though except for that part.
Quote from: Brianjw on April 10, 2007, 02:58:48 AM
Wordpress is a nice system but I am looking for something better for integration, something that will be integrated like "Felblog" except felblog almost crashed my forum :( it was a good blog system though except for that part.
When you find it, share it with us. I never found anything to beat Wordpress.
Quote from: domineaux on March 30, 2007, 02:13:12 AM
This works for me. I messed around with themes and found one that only has about twenty pixels of horz scroll at the bottom.
<iframe src="http://mydomain.com/WP/" width="100%" height="900"></iframe>
I never could get the above larger script to work.
haha... dang im slow, i shoulda looked for how to "wrap" pages in another page... blah blah, im not making sense...
what i meant was thanks for putting the code down, since i was too lazy to figure it out myself. works awesome. and easily with the custom actions mod for smf... no coding on my side =) yea.
update : 12:19 oops. forgot to
spam this board :
www.shomazta.com/sm/index.php?action=blog
ooOo yeah action=blog yerp. looks like theres an actual action=blog dont it. cuz it says action=blog ... okay ill shut up =P
Your link is not working but I found your blog anyway. ;)
Nicely setup site & blog, looks good.
I like the "Drop it like a FOB" blog! Too bad the vid is not working because that might sound good. ;D
woops SMF haha i put sm
Quote from: Ken on April 10, 2007, 09:16:20 AM
Your link is not working but I found your blog anyway. ;)
Nicely setup site & blog, looks good.
I like the "Drop it like a FOB" blog! Too bad the vid is not working because that might sound good. ;D
thanks. ill see if i can fix that link. i just uploaded a wordpress backup (xml file) to that site yesterday. so all those blog posts are old. but yeah if i can't find the song online I'll upload it, cuz i think I have a copy of it.
Quote from: domineaux on April 06, 2007, 04:36:47 PM
Quote from: lady_l on April 06, 2007, 07:41:23 AM
I would not want a blog. I hate those things. The amount of deeply personal information people are willing to post all over the Web, to me, is unbelievable. :smiley6600: And it's all an "ego trip" for the blogger. I'm not interested, sorry.
Blogs and boards are polar opposites.
I think there is room for both, I mean I am not into blogs but some people are...good for them. I should point out too that many older forms of web communication are still going after all these years...remember the old LISTSERV type email lists, and the scrolling bulletin boards (such as boardhost)? They are still going. Forums will be here for a while.
Lady L
Ok, you convinced me. Now convince CNN, CBS, MSNBC, and all the major main stream media. The MM is jumping all over Blogs, even promoting them from their broadcasts, by interviewing bloggers, etc.
Blogs can make the difference in an active site. Forums do as good a job, but the content is "too enclosed" and ends up lost after a few threads reside atop it. Blogs are out there month after month, highly visible and comments alway reside under the original postings. This gives blogs an importance and stature not achieveable with forums.
Blogs provide a podioum or soapbox for the writer. The blogger says his peace as eloquently and competently as possible. Then readers can comment as it pleases them.
Blogs can turn into forums, if the admin allows the original poster to enter replies to comments made by others. Sad to say that is the way of it on many blog sites.
Just because you think there are enough things for people to use to communicate is not forward thinking. I realize you may be content with status-quo, but that is not the way of the internet.
There will always be new exciting things going on, and that should be fun for all. It will keep you thinking young and part of the maintstream of happening things.
Still doesn't mean I need an IPOD :2funny:
I have a forum/gallery because we are a group of people who are doll collectors, and we are fans of a certain type of rather strange, and wonderful ball jointed fashion dolls, a pretty narrow interest, and we are not interested in the media attention. SO to the comment about CNN etc. I say.... so f'in what. If you want to be a media star, or get your book or photos on the tables in Barnes & Noble, or send your paycheck to your web host for extra traffic, I guess blogs are the way to go . We don't care about any of that, what we want is more dolls, and to share the ones we have with our friends and other fans. It hasn't anything to do with being "young" or "hip" (our dolls happen to be a very in and cool thing to collect) but with our purpose.
My point is not to argue this issue here which really belongs on some other board or blog. It is to point out that there are plenty of people who feel no need to have a blog at all, and that we would not want to see SMF/TP tinkered with beyond recognition. And that people should have the common sensse to evaluate things for themselves rather than jump on whatever bandwagon happens to pass by.
I actually had a WP blog as our home page for a while while I built the rest of the site, I was able to post comments and updates on the site construction while I was building it. That was a good solution at the time, but it wound up taking up time I needed to spend on the site itself. So when we launched I got rid of it.
L.
This is getting really annoying and the thread is leading no where.
Im locking it now.
TP will have a blog some time in the future, and for those that want it now, use some other blog software and use iframe or some other way to have it with in TP.