I have recently logged on to Path-To-Peace (http://path-to-peace.com/community) and noticed Aku now uses VB.
I see it and it looks alot like SMF does and I was wondering if you can edit VB's files to do what you can with smf? ??? ;)
Let me know.
Brianjw
Well you'd have to be more specific than just saying "everything". I would probably say somethings are easier in SMF and some things are easier in vB. It depends on a lot of things. Don't make the mistake of thinking that Aku has switched because its better. He's seeking to gain something in user base by going with what is popular.
Don't forget vB costs money.
oh :( it costs money!!! .
I dont think it's worth money. SMF is worth money but it's free :D
Im sticking with SMF
You my young padawan are learning. ;) I agree, SMF is worth money. Fortunately for us, its free!
Yes, I understand how aku could switch to vb because he knows all the smf ways and is ready to try out another one so he can learn more about it ;)
as for me i am learning smf ways so im sticking here :D
smf and vb are very different
in fact TOTALLY different
smf has the power of templates that much i can tell u
its easier to manage templates in smf and easily customizable
in vB u have to go through an entire process to add something new, u have to declare new phrases (variables) then u have to create a new template, then u have to create a php file seperately which contains a code to store the php in a variable since the templates in vB are not in php but in html - a headache really
but then again vb has some advantages over smf in other regards like mods, its mods are very easy to install and because vb is very old it has a lot more mods available
all in all Tiny Portal is unbeatable! seriously
the portal u see me using there is called vbadvanced and its really hard to use.
In tp to add a bloc all u do is create a block.
in vbadvance to create a block, 1st u create a template for the block containing the code for the stuff, then u upload it via template manager
then u have to create a php file for the block with some prefefined code which u have to upload via block manager
finally once u have done all that and made sure about 10 different instances of names are exactly the same in every place - u can activate the block lol
hell its a headache i tell u!
as for giving out vB mods and file codes, thats not allowed at all under vB license agreement and if anyone is found distributing the code they revoke ur license
The reason I switched over to vB on THIS site is because everyone on my site was after me asking about vb
but for my own site which i will eventually launch I will be using SMf which is much easier to customize
Yeah :)
I am sooooooooooo staying with SMF :D
Quote from: brianjw on January 28, 2007, 03:02:56 AM
Yeah :)
I am sooooooooooo staying with SMF :D
Me too cause I don't know any better and it took me this look just to even comprehend SMF/PHP and TP. But, it's also a sad day cause I love all of Aku's snippets. Hopefully, he'll continue with his own site and provide all the great snippets here :up:
Thanks for the heads up Aku! :up: The trade off doesn't seem appealing at all, esp. with someone at my level. :o
lol i took that off actually
i realized what if someone read it and i got on the wrong side of the vB teams :2funny:
but in short: vB is running a business and they want to optimize their profits...so u see in all cases even charges for installation and other work they may help u with on ur site
It would be cool if you can have SMF + VB and set one as default then have a dropdown menu to select VB or SMF and it would have all the same posts in the forum and profile ;D
I used vB once , Installed it on m computer! What a headache i had after it! , From what i remember theres 12 or 13 steps to install it , Is admin panel couldnt get an more complicated and the template system just completely wrecked my head! , SMF Is way easier to Install , Upgrade , Use and Customise by far , Just my opinion but i think some people use vB just because of the site rep value of having paid out $100 or whatever a license costs for vB.
- Alan S
yup ur right about that alan
just to set a SIMPLE member group permission I have to do about 6 or 7 clicks
and man its admin end is a JUNGLE! I cant believe its such a mess!
U can set usergroup permissions from atleast 4 seperate areas
u can set posting options from atleast 3 different places
and then other options too same way....the problem which arises is if u set it different in one place and then different in another u end up getting confised!
but their mods are sweet :buck2: ohhh
It would be interesting if you could monitor the resources used now. Actyually see if it indeed demand more of your server, especially when mods are added to it.
Yes the resources used are a lot more when compared to SMF!
Especially when you install the mods, most mod makers tell you : this mod will add X no of queries and is not recomended for sites with lots of users since it is too server intensive
but i just say live for the moment! lol
like SMF I have installed so many mods I dont even know their names anymore haah
Good luck with your site, Aku!
i aint leavin man :P
ill be around for a veryyy long time
Quote from: Aku on January 29, 2007, 09:04:18 PM
i aint leavin man :P
ill be around for a veryyy long time
Good, we'd hate to loose you to the 'dark side' ;D
The "dark side" meaning leaving tp... Of cource now you don't use TP :-\
Please. Its no use repeating that again and again. Aku is still a part of this team, still active on SMF, still use and work with TP - just that his main site doesn't use it right now.
Give it a rest already.
I know im just saying. we're still buds :D
Why go with vB in the first place? Just because users want it doesn't mean they will neccesarily enjoy what you are able to do with it in the end...
It all depends on what you are capable of doing.
I used aku's forum and it looks awesome. You can customize it just as much as smf except it takes alot more work, and it looks better too :)
.."it looks better"? :) I don't think thats due to VB itself, rather to the theme chosen..
But again, you all love SMF (I presume) and thats good..but every software worth its salt, has its pros and cons. Just because you buy a Ford doesn't mean the Mazda is worthless. (ok, not the best example lol, but you get the picture).
Quote from: Bloc on January 30, 2007, 08:39:34 AM
Just because you buy a Ford doesn't mean the Mazda is worthless.
Ford and Mazda are the same thing, like Chevy and Isuzu ;)
As for Aku using VB, it doesn't bother me. He is valuable to this forum and contributes enormously to the TP community. Personally, I agree with what Aku says about VB. The mods are way more advanced and they have a large stable of mods to choose from where as SMF/TP are still in it's infancy I guess you could say. They are still growing and hopefully the mods continue to develop and mature over the next couple years. Right now a lot of the mods come quickly then the authors drop em and move on. A few mods continue to develop and grow with the next new versions of SMF, and soon the list of mods that continue growing and not abandoned will be equal to what VB has to offer.
I used a "borrowed" version of VB to try out for a few weeks to decide whether to spend the money or not. I loved the mods, but as mentioned the administration and customizing was hair raising, funny coming from a bald guy :laugh:, and when the smoke cleared I erased the VB forum, decided to keep my money and went with SMF.
It (SMF) has had it's problems. The forums are usually so busy a lot of times your questions go unanswered and several mods I really like have gone obsolete with the newer versions of SMF and have been dropped by the authors.
All in all though I have been happy with my choice. I don't think either software is better then the other, it is just what you are used to and how much you want to spend getting used to it.
Mind me asking which mods you want that aren't available? All too often questions go unanswered I agree. But the support Team could really use more support members. Unfortunately it doesn't seem that there are too many people that want to help, or are qualified to do it.
Quote from: IchBinÃ,â,,¢ on January 31, 2007, 02:33:45 AM
Mind me asking which mods you want that aren't available? All too often questions go unanswered I agree. But the support Team could really use more support members. Unfortunately it doesn't seem that there are too many people that want to help, or are qualified to do it.
you mean vB staff?
yea actually, what are some examples of mods that are used in vB that SMF doesn't offer? just curious...
Well i heard from aku that vB has alot more mods than smf because it has been running for a longer time. And you know how smf is with like a 1 mod posted 1 day. vB is the same except has been running longer ;)
Brianjw
@sikhness well examples of mods that smf dosent have.....(apart from this even the mods which SMF has, the vB ones are far superior)
VbGarage: this is a full fledge garage system for Auto sites, you can add cars, car parts , make your own real cars based on a points system. Its quite extensive really
LDM (aka Links and Downloads Manager): This is not your average Links and download module - this allows you to have nearly every type of file posible and DISPLAY it if you want. So for example, if you upload videos, it will play them for you and also allow you to download, same with music files, etc. Audio files and video files allow you to have a jukebox type layout so you can easily access all files.
vbArticles: This is a full fledge article system and very professional too - users can publish articles - top authors and all sorts of options available.
Mindestic GlosPro: Integrates a full fledge glossary / dictionary into your forum integrated with users base
Favorite Smilies: Allows users to customize which smileys they see in the message editor when composing a new mesage
SR Classifieds: full fledge classifieds system with user reputation system as well
vBMates & vBPals: full dating / e-pals module integrated with user base
GeekArticles: Allows specialized templates to be assignned to any forum the admin chooses. You can design your own layout for the kind of form you get when composing a new message
e-steki Smilie Maker 1.7: Make your own smileys using pre defined smiley bodies, eyes and mouths and extras
Talkerbot V2: A VERY intellegent bot which you can assign to a forum, it talks to the people in a shockingly human like nature actually responding to things thay ask! can be fully programmed to respond to certain words in a certain manner when admin and mods talk to it in the forum using commands, so no need to open up any files!
MMLotto System: A full lotto system where users can play lottery and is integrated with the SHOP equivalent of SMF - or can be used just for fun to increase stats
Mood Manager - with AJAX mood update: Allows users to specify their mood on the fly with a simple click
Toplist: A fully integrated top list mod for top sites
Personal Notepad: users can have their own notepad to save notes in their CP area
RPG Integration Hack: Role Playing Game hack where users avatars turn into 'characters' which you can equip with armour, buy potions etc and attack other members by using points you earn through posting and stuff
Subforum Layouts: Allows admin to specify what format the subforums take on the board index - LIST - DROP DOWN - BULLETED- 2 or 3 COLUMNED, etc
And the list goes on - there are loads I havent even read abot, plus there are TONNES of mods from older vB versions which havent been ported over to the 3.6.4 version yet since its pretty new still
Quote from: IchBinâ„¢ on January 31, 2007, 02:33:45 AM
Mind me asking which mods you want that aren't available? All too often questions go unanswered I agree. But the support Team could really use more support members. Unfortunately it doesn't seem that there are too many people that want to help, or are qualified to do it.
I try to help where I can, But when it comes to getting into the code I don't know all that. Know when someone does not now how to use a feature and one of you support guru's haven't answered I try to answer the question as best as possible. Just wish I knew more about the Code! And that might be the reason that alot more don't help on the support part.
The only way to learn how to code is to jump in and do it. Create a test site and keep a backup in a folder somewhere than practice doing stuff.
Wanna learn what different functions do use this reference:
http://us3.php.net/imagettftext type the function into the search bar and go its how you learn.
ill tell u guys 1 thing thoug
I still believe SMf can EASILY beat the pants off vB only if they paid a bit more attention to the user end and mod creation to offer more features
The user interface of SMf can use some polishing
And one things for sure - TP is just unbeatable!!!
And im not just saying that because im team, seriously, the ease TP provides for webmasters is unparalled with any other system may it be vbadvances, mkportal, joomla or whatever!
I don't get it because i am on his forum now. And it's say he have a SMF 1.1.1 and running with TinyPortal v0.9.7-191106.
A vboad look like a SMF?
His main site has changed SQ. The link to his site now is the demo of what it was before.
Quote from: IchBinÃ,â,,¢ on January 31, 2007, 05:38:13 PM
His main site has changed SQ. The link to his site now is the demo of what it was before.
Oh, I didn't know that. I mean's the link is a demo. I didn't know we can make demo link's. But before he change his site to a vbullen. I gotto to say this it's look so awesome. He done a awesome job to his site.
Anyway's He have his own resaom to change to vbullen.
Thank's for telling me IchBin ;)
Well, I do stand corrected on several mods that, last I looked, had not been made compatible with 1.1.1. I suppose 1.1.1 is still new so it takes time, but the location mod, inline attachments mod, member awards mod, and a few others I have still don't show compatible with 1.1.1 yet so it has kept me from upgrading, unless maybe some of these have been included in 1.1.1 so I guess I better look. :)
Don't get me wrong, I know it takes time to convert things and it takes time to build a strong and deep support staff to answer every little whine us script challenged users have. It is this understanding that SMF is new and still growing which kept me using the software regardless of the bumps along the way. I have never complained about my support questions going unanswered at times. I do eventually figure it out either from people here at TP which I know I shouldn't ;), or from countless hours of searching. The whole, use the search to find your answer is sometimes annoying because even though the search function works pretty good, you still will get 20 pages of irrelevant material to wade through depending on what you are searching for.
Aku listed a pretty good example of mods and there are others like a knockoff of myspace used for member profiles, a recipe mod, advanced shopping cart mods, etc etc. Not only do they have some very nice mods, but many standalone applications are already ported for VB and have extensive support for implementing into a VB forum. I am seeing more and more coming around with support for SMF, but again, VB has been around much longer so to compare the two isn't fair to SMF. In another couple years run the two side by side and then post a comparison thread. ;)
Quote from: Aku on January 31, 2007, 03:21:20 PM
ill tell u guys 1 thing thoug
I still believe SMf can EASILY beat the pants off vB only if they paid a bit more attention to the user end and mod creation to offer more features
The user interface of SMf can use some polishing
And one things for sure - TP is just unbeatable!!!
And im not just saying that because im team, seriously, the ease TP provides for webmasters is unparalled with any other system may it be vbadvances, mkportal, joomla or whatever!
You bet it is! I switched to Joomla there about 2 weeks ago , I finally realised i was acting a bit crazy so i came off the drugs and now im just about to switch back to tinyportal! Hahaha
Good thing then..seems TP is on the right track. :)
Always has been! ;)
Quote from: Bloc on February 01, 2007, 08:18:09 PM
Good thing then..seems TP is on the right track. :)
Yes, you are 100% right about that Bloc!!!! I never switch to nothing and i alway's stay with TP no matter what happen...
I had three sites all running vb and vportal. I sold all three lic and switched over to SMF and TP. VB support sucks and if you have a problem they won't even talk to you unless you disable all mods and uninstall the portal.
Never again...
O, That suck about that type of board. We are glad for you to switch over to SMF and TP.
I like you know I use to hate TIny Portal but I fall in love with the portal and I wont switch to no other protal at all of diff type of boards too.
I will stay with SMF and TP forever.
Quote from: Rini on June 07, 2007, 10:16:04 PM
O, That suck about that type of board. We are glad for you to switch over to SMF and TP.
I like you know I use to hate TIny Portal but I fall in love with the portal and I wont switch to no other protal at all of diff type of boards too.
I will stay with SMF and TP forever.
Same goes for me to :)
Well, I am a recent convert from vBulletin. For a long time I was running a vBulletin board and the board I was spending most of my time hanging out at was one with SMF and MK portal. Personally I loved the SMF forum compared to my own.
Not long ago I ran into a lot of hacking probelms with my vBulletin and decided to change hosts and convert to SMF & TP. My run in with the tech support at vBulletin was frustrating to be at best and that was the kick in the pants that got me to change software.
The early returns are my members love the SFM & TP and they have not seen half of what I hope to be able to do once I get a little more time to work with it. SMF & TP rocks.
Quote from: Gobo on January 31, 2007, 03:21:20 PM
ill tell u guys 1 thing thoug
I still believe SMf can EASILY beat the pants off vB only if they paid a bit more attention to the user end and mod creation to offer more features
The user interface of SMf can use some polishing
And one things for sure - TP is just unbeatable!!!
And im not just saying that because im team, seriously, the ease TP provides for webmasters is unparalled with any other system may it be vbadvances, mkportal, joomla or whatever!
I agree with the SMF user interface. Always been behind the other software forums.
QuoteI agree with the SMF user interface. Always been behind the other software forums.
Maybe one of the reasons would be that SMF is a MUCH younger then others out there, so with that in thought, SMF beats most of them anyway :D
Quote from: christicehurst link=topic=12772.msg148775#msg148775 date=1186752231
I agree with the SMF user interface. Always been behind the other software forums.
/quote]
I have to completely disagree there. Especially when it comes to the admin UI of vB. Gobo let me look at this when he setup his vB forum. I have to say that SMF is FAR superior when it comes to the usability of the SMF UI.
Quote from: christicehurst on August 10, 2007, 02:23:51 PM
Quote from: Gobo on January 31, 2007, 03:21:20 PM
ill tell u guys 1 thing thoug
I still believe SMf can EASILY beat the pants off vB only if they paid a bit more attention to the user end and mod creation to offer more features
The user interface of SMf can use some polishing
And one things for sure - TP is just unbeatable!!!
And im not just saying that because im team, seriously, the ease TP provides for webmasters is unparalled with any other system may it be vbadvances, mkportal, joomla or whatever!
I agree with the SMF user interface. Always been behind the other software forums.
What exactly is lagging behind? The amount of options? ..how it is presented? or the structure maybe..?
This would be interesting to know, because the first is simply not doable, SMF is not equal VB in number of features(thank god), while the second and third are quite possible and easy, to change.
Quote from: IchBinâ„¢ on August 11, 2007, 05:44:30 AM
Quote from: christicehurst link=topic=12772.msg148775#msg148775 date=1186752231
I agree with the SMF user interface. Always been behind the other software forums.
/quote]
I have to completely disagree there. Especially when it comes to the admin UI of vB. Gobo let me look at this when he setup his vB forum. I have to say that SMF is FAR superior when it comes to the usability of the SMF UI.
I'm talking about the design of the SMF.
So the whole theme..ok. Thats of course a subjective thing. In contrast with PhpBB newest site theme its a bit old(ish) now, but compared to VB and IPB they are actually quite similar. SMF default theme has elements from both plus some unique stuff.
But IMHO the looks isn't someting you can judge a script from, especially when there isn't much difference in quality. To say VB is better than SMF in that regard, is the same as to say Ford is better than Mazda (don't answer that lol :) ), it isn't really an objective statement.
Quote from: Bloc on August 11, 2007, 09:11:51 AM
Quote from: christicehurst on August 10, 2007, 02:23:51 PM
Quote from: Gobo on January 31, 2007, 03:21:20 PM
ill tell u guys 1 thing thoug
I still believe SMf can EASILY beat the pants off vB only if they paid a bit more attention to the user end and mod creation to offer more features
The user interface of SMf can use some polishing
And one things for sure - TP is just unbeatable!!!
And im not just saying that because im team, seriously, the ease TP provides for webmasters is unparalled with any other system may it be vbadvances, mkportal, joomla or whatever!
I agree with the SMF user interface. Always been behind the other software forums.
What exactly is lagging behind? The amount of options? ..how it is presented? or the structure maybe..?
This would be interesting to know, because the first is simply not doable, SMF is not equal VB in number of features(thank god), while the second and third are quite possible and easy, to change.
For example with vbulletin, the poster's profile info is above the actual post. With SMF it's on the left side. It looks mashed up and would love to see more structure to it. vbullletin is more clear on where a post begins and ends. With SMF it's too blended in and you have to look harder at which posts was yours and the other guy's.
The theme makers are the ones who save SMF from these problems. But they can only do so much. Even with my current theme Manuscript there's things I liked changed but no one has bothered to help or look into it. That's why alot of people look at SMF and vbulletin's default and nromally pick vbulletin as the professional looking one.
The main excuse I get is that "SMF is a younger software" compare to others. Yes I understand that. But how long can you use that excuse card for? 5, 10 more years?
Apart from the lack of a professional look that SMF has, everything else is pretty much perfect and that's why I'm with SMF. The Admin section, the ease of use for members is great. I'm looking forward to SMF 2.0. My tip it'll be released next year. Just have a feeling it will be delayed.
QuoteFor example with vbulletin, the poster's profile info is above the actual post. With SMF it's on the left side. It looks mashed up and would love to see more structure to it. vbullletin is more clear on where a post begins and ends. With SMF it's too blended in and you have to look harder at which posts was yours and the other guy's.
Theres a topic at SMF that allows you to do this.
And it was only implemented in vB a few years ago, it used to be laid out the way SMF is.
I have that running now and it looks nice.
lol.. thats just as well, I went looking for it and couldn't find it ???
well, it thats all it took. :)
But that isn't really a good argument either..one change for the topic screen..? Please.
And why is it that you think that particular layout done the vb way, is any better than SMF way? My I remind you that only VB currently use that, both PhpBB and IPB use "our" way, with a great success too.
Of course SMF isn't "young" anymore , not in age at least, but the others do have existed a little longer AND also reached out to more people. Thats undeniable. SMF has focused on quality and speed, security and non-bloat, while others have put other aspects higher. Thsi "other" is something we too need to adress in due order, but it can't compromise the product in the process - just because it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the others (or amount of security issues for that matter) it doesn't automatically make it a inferior product.