The lats coulpe of weeks there has been several posts that have not been that fun to read.
Some users argue a lot.
A lot of breaking in other peoples threads that leeds to pointless discussion that have nothing to do with the thread and the question first asked in the thread.
Personal discussions that have nothing to do with tiny portal or smf at all, and that hurts both tiny portal, the staff that runs it, and us visitors that read it.
I see more and more of it every day now, hijacking threads, personal issues and even users jumping on one and other.
Why does this have to be? What are you guys get out of this, exept a very unpleasent portal for us other visitors here?
This is a nice portal, whay cant it stay that way?, Why do some people have to pick on other users, like the fact of one in the shoutbox this morning?. "old" crip changed nick, and emediatly, some one other need to make a comment on that, and the comment havent got anything to do with TP or SMF at all. This is starting to get really annoying. And i think im not the only one that have seen or feel this way about this ?
Try keep it to what this is all about, and stop making this a personal vendetta place on the internet. If you really must have some sort of useless discussion and pick on other users and hijacking threads and turn the forums to all other things that it suppose to be, Please take that somewhere else, or use SMF and Tinyportal and start an argueforum for the matters you seem to not be able to stop doing here.
We are a lot of users here who need help with this SMF and Portal, and i really dont like to have to read a lot of useless threads that have nothing to do what this site and portal are all about.
If i see a question in a board, i want to read about that and nothing else. If i make a thread and a post of my own, i would like to have that thread containing the answer, or a discusion about the topic of that thread, and not some stupid argue that have nothing to so whit my question or topic.
Thanks for reading this, and sorry if i point this out and you may take offence in this.
And sorry for my English
//Carina
While I know that some of this is directed toward me, I can't help but comment generally.
First off, hijacking a thread is somewhat subjective. What might be considered hijacking to one person might be a natural evolution of a discussion to another. Care must be exercised when dealing with moderating such things.
Two, discussions of any type can be useful or detrimental, depending on your point of view. If the end result is additional education, it can't be all bad.
Last, when a site grows, disagreements increase. This is because more personalities increase the chances of these things happening.
The beauty of a message board is that the best ones mirror reality. Not everyone will get along, nor can you expect them to. Families fight and co-workers argue. Fellow church goers have spats and people show vulgarities to each other in traffic. Sometimes, friends react to each other with more animosity than do enemies. Occasionally, adults storm off in a tantrum laced rage, only to return looking a bit different than when they left.
For my part in any of this, I honestly try to avoid name-calling, although sometimes a harsh tone might come through in my posts. Sarcasm and humor (sometimes intermingled) are a trademark of mine, developed from well over 20 years of online communications. Something that isn't part of my nature is sugar coating anything. I tend to tell it like it is, from a cold realist's point of view. I got a message ealier from someone telling me "if you hate SMF so much, why are you here?" I don't hate SMF - but being a realist, I won't claim that it is something it is not. So the reader assumed I hated SMF.
A site like this can never be a family-like one. There are currently 4140 members. How many of them have posted anything in the past month? How many of those 4000+ have come for info on a single problem, posted two times, then never returned? How many have never posted? Not looking at the member list, how many names from here can you recall?
By its very nature, a site like this is extremely transient. People don't stick around long enough to develop much of an affinity for others, nor do they pay enough attention to others to learn how they act, react or write. By telling people they have to act a certain way, when their way is acceptable in real life, serves only to run off people and minimize the support base here. When they run off, they get other software, further reducing the base.
If you don't like the way someone writes, skip over their posts.
QuoteTwo, discussions of any type can be useful or detrimental, depending on your point of view. If the end result is additional education, it can't be all bad.
Agree, not all bad, As long as it stays with in a non person violation towards a specifik member ar a compleate off topic argue to some one elses topic or post. Then itÂÃ,´s not that educating exept fore perhaps on how to abuse somone ;)
QuoteA site like this can never be a family-like one. There are currently 4140 members. How many of them have posted anything in the past month? How many of those 4000+ have come for info on a single problem, posted two times, then never returned? How many have never posted? Not looking at the member list, how many names from here can you recall?
Agree to some piont even there. Not all that are registerd as members post, but for those who are, i still dont think open personal issues to another visitor, is a proper way to show off the community for new visitors and SMF TinyPortal users.
I like to keep things somekind of familylike, that way a lot of those who havent posted or replyed perhaps feel that they can without some cold robotlike common forum user state out a lot of facts like from a book or manuall.
A lot ( like me for instanse) started out with PMs cause i didnt dare to post in the open forum at first. Not all visitors are the fact reading kind, a lot of them have a hard time dare just making a post or a reply even if they were forced to.
Now im not saying that Facts are bad, itÂÃ,´s the facts that gives the answers, But is it really hard to give a fact, without sounding like a robot without any blood or feelings? I guess that 20 years behind a screen and codes and forums with "stupid" questions can do that enyone woul turn out a bit cold and just state the facts.
An more "womanly" way perhaps could make the visitors dare to try more instead of ripping their hair off and not be able to dare ask or get the forum scripts to work ?
QuoteFor my part in any of this, I honestly try to avoid name-calling, although sometimes a harsh tone might come through in my posts.
I guess you have your way in this, and you beleiave in your way, and you really know this and the coding, no argue about that, but i think it scares more than itÂÃ,´s good for a lot of visitors.
And after a while when someone yells a lot or allways act the same way, people just ignore and turn away, and i dont think you really want it that way ? Your intention are good, your facts are brilliant, so wouldent it be somehow better if the visitors actually read all of your knowlage you share, instead of just skipp over the posts with all the usfull things you are willing to share?
QuotePeople don't stick around long enough to develop much of an affinity for others, nor do they pay enough attention to others to learn how they act, react or write.
Most people just want an answer for their problem yes, but there are still a a lot who follow and are in here every day reading atleast. Remember my PM to you about i didnt "feel" that you felt good and that was the reason for hoe you acted that night? I did say that because i did not recognise you in your posts, and or in your facts, and how you wrote things.
You state a lot of facts, ind thats the way i learned a lot here, and i started to "feel" you, so i think im not the only one here who kind of "feel" the other users way after some time here. ?
QuoteIf you don't like the way someone writes, skip over their posts.
Well, thats the easy way out, but if i really want to know or follow a question from what the topic say it should be, and i get in there and see that itÂÃ,´s nothing like an answer in there, just a lot of argue or even a war sometimes, thats not giving me anything but an lye in the face and i guess the topicstarter feel the same way, And lets say itÂÃ,´s the first time anyone here post, and it took them several tryes just to dare typing in a question... I wonder if they ever going to dare try again? And avvoy topics could be difficult if the arguing comes arround in a lot of threads quite often.
And you dont have to take this personally, this was somewhat pointed out from my side to all, And as a question on whats happening here, just as the topic says. ;) :)
Right on g6cad..great post!
Quote from: TwinsX2Dad on March 20, 2006, 11:32:16 AM
For my part in any of this, I honestly try to avoid name-calling, although sometimes a harsh tone might come through in my posts. Sarcasm and humor (sometimes intermingled) are a trademark of mine, developed from well over 20 years of online communications. Something that isn't part of my nature is sugar coating anything.
I read many of your post and now i think it's a good recommendation, to reduce your ... TradeMark ... TwinsX2Dad.
And to Carina i say only one ...
thank you for this great postFel
Right on feline - !!
Ok after reading this and my trade mark being a pacifist, but those of you who do know me is that I will stick up for myself if need be.
I can see everyones points of opinions and can agree with most of them except for the later half of Twins post.
I mean this cant be a utopia cause we as humans have personalities and well get more then ten of us in a room and we but heads.
True most people leave after getting there question answered. I started here this way but I am more of a regular now.
I do stick around and I have "grown" to a personal level with several people here. One of them being crip. When I was told that he quick because of an instance with someone I had problems with a couple days prior to. I was about to leave and not come back.
I think that people who come in here and think that they are better then anyone else they shouldnt be allowed back here. I know someone is thinking I dont think I am better then anyone else. But if you come in here with the mindset where you come down here and belittle some one and once you press the post button at that moment you are thinking your better then everyone else.
I will also say I have never had a conflict with anyone. There was one incident between me Sloopz and Wolfenbrook but that was worked out but people still felt like they needed to but in and tell me I was wrong. Anywho other then that this has been a fairly "peacefull" forum.
And about the personal discussions. Well thats why they are here and well it wouldnt be bad for Bloc to hear some constructive criticism would it?
I will admit I tend not to go to a thread when I see the last person who posted was someone I have had a conflict with. Why? Cause I know there is a good chance that I will get ridiculed for helping someone. I dont think that is right. Someone may be getting deprived of information they want/need because of a personal confict.
Ok I think I covered everything I had to say.
Quote from: TwinsX2Dad on March 20, 2006, 11:32:16 AM
If you don't like the way someone writes, skip over their posts.
It's not the way they write, but rather what they say when they write.. my 2ÂÃ,¢.
Quote from: jpÂÃ,® on March 20, 2006, 02:06:17 PM
Quote from: TwinsX2Dad on March 20, 2006, 11:32:16 AM
If you don't like the way someone writes, skip over their posts.
It's not the way they write, but rather what they say when they write.. my 2ÂÃ,¢.
Agreed.
Quote from: g6cad on March 20, 2006, 10:14:16 AMThanks for reading this, and sorry if i point this out and you may take offence in this.
I missed this earlier - I always read everything I respond to. It makes for less misunderstandings. And, I never take offense on anything from a message board. I may become angry or frustrated, but never am I offended. There are more important things in life - I leave getting offended to the left wing, crybaby liberals. ;D
Quote from: g6cad on March 20, 2006, 10:14:16 AMAnd sorry for my English
You should stop that - your English is better than ÂÃ,¾ of those online - including ÂÃ,½ I've bantered with in the past 48 hours. Never apologize for trying - only apologize for not.
Quote from: g6cad on March 20, 2006, 12:09:46 PMAgree, not all bad, As long as it stays with in a non person violation towards a specifik member ar a compleate off topic argue to some one elses topic or post. Then itÂÃ,´s not that educating exept fore perhaps on how to abuse somone ;)
It can run toward abuse, but it is often not apparent who is the abuser and who was being abused. In reality, what started it all? What is interesting is the number of people put off by the byline in my signature. Any study of human anthropology includes a startling fact: overall, people do not want to hear the truth - but they want to be right, no matter what.
What does this mean? Lets pick on something controversial here - let's say baseballs. Person A is an emotional type and says baseballs are dangerous and once saw someone get hit by a baseball. Person B says there is no way a baseball is dangerous and comes armed with passion. Person C comes along and asks if they should allow their family to play baseball. Person A responds with, "no way - baseballs are dangerous. Nothing good can come from playing with baseballs." Person B comes along with 1,000 reasons baseballs are not dangerous and how playing with one can be beneficial. Person A will have none of this and all onlookers feel sympathy for Person A, because they've all seen someone hit by a baseball. But, if you step back, Person A has no proof of what they're saying, does little or nothing to back up their claim and is simply speaking from an emotional (yet irrational) view. Person B has those 1,000 reasons and recites them. And Person A will make certain they individually question each and every one of those reasons - but in the end, they will not be listening to any of them. Their mind is set and nobody else can have another opinion. Also, in the end, Person B is made out to be the bad guy, because how could he say these things? After all, the onlookers all knew someone who'd been hit with a baseball! How dare he bring up facts!
There is always an unpopular position. But what is unpopular may also be what is right. For what you were pointing out as my last issue - in that case, the popular opinion here is that SMF is the best thing since sliced bread or electric starters. In reality, it is not for everybody. I have an email that came in a couple of hours ago that, if it ends up being verified, will force me to not only get off of SMF, but also will mean I will ban it from my servers. The claim is a bit out there, but I am open to truth and don't allow prejudices to color my decisions.
Quote from: g6cad on March 20, 2006, 12:09:46 PMAgree to some piont even there. Not all that are registerd as members post, but for those who are, i still dont think open personal issues to another visitor, is a proper way to show off the community for new visitors and SMF TinyPortal users.
Then maybe the 'support' forum should never show any troubles?
Never ever let them see the truth! :D
Quote from: g6cad on March 20, 2006, 12:09:46 PMI like to keep things somekind of familylike, that way a lot of those who havent posted or replyed perhaps feel that they can without some cold robotlike common forum user state out a lot of facts like from a book or manuall.
Family-like as in the Brady Bunch and/or Ozzie & Harriet? The reality is, message boards are more like The Osbournes or Monty Python. Dysfunctional and, in many ways, senseless.
Quote from: g6cad on March 20, 2006, 12:09:46 PMI guess that 20 years behind a screen and codes and forums with "stupid" questions can do that enyone woul turn out a bit cold and just state the facts.
An more "womanly" way perhaps could make the visitors dare to try more instead of ripping their hair off and not be able to dare ask or get the forum scripts to work ?
Nobody has an issue with when I try to assist someone with server issues or under the hood of SMF. They have an issue when I cut down their favorite message board software. They act as if they are Jeff Lewis and I am being unreasonably libelous. How dare someone criticize this hard work? The reality is, better than 70% of the boards you people are running today will not be in existence 18 months from now. Of those that are still in existence, half will have changed what they are running on. A friend of mine used to hate me when i brought up the downfalls of phpBB - until his gave him one too many problems and he switched to IPB. Now he tells everyone of the downfalls of phpBB. Fortunately, he has learned his lesson and will admit the shortfalls of IPB, too. Age has a way of doing that to you.
There has also been a person who decided to take everything I said personally - he would stalk me and harrass me, due to something twisted in his mind; a twisting there was no basis for. His claim to fame was the shield of Christianity. The problem was, he used it as a shield, but never put it on. For this individual, nothing I said was good enough and everything I said had some hidden meaning against him.
As if I had a defense against this sort of behavior, short of leaving here. If I left here, I would have no choice but to remove TP, since the support and upgrade issues would be gone for me. It isn't a big deal, but it might be nice to get a full handle on this thing in case I want to deploy it to my clients.
Quote from: feline on March 20, 2006, 12:43:35 PMI read many of your post and now i think it's a good recommendation, to reduce your ... TradeMark ... TwinsX2Dad.
Interesting that you say you've read many of my posts - but you've never taken the time to interact with any of them.....in some cases, you've acted as if I didn't exist and that my post wasn't there.
Quote from: jpÂÃ,® on March 20, 2006, 12:15:13 PMRight on g6cad..great post!
Quote from: jpÂÃ,® on March 20, 2006, 12:46:03 PMRight on feline - !!
Quote from: Mitch on March 20, 2006, 02:26:13 PMQuote from: jpÂÃ,® on March 20, 2006, 02:06:17 PMAgreed.
Still having issues with stalking there Jeff? We've been discussing you on another board I run. We could use some more fodder. Maybe some day I'll INVITE you to it. If you were to somehow track it down and join it, well - more of the same would happen. Grow up and go away kid - you bother me.
New prediction: Karma=0 before sunset. Its okay because I am not into Hindu occultism, like so many board developers are. ;D
I'd like to point out that the types of posts mentioned are in the minority, but that doesn't detract from the fact that they still shouldn't happen. I'm not sure where online ettiquite has gone in recent years, but I've never seen people flame so much in my life (not speaking about this board in particular, just in general about manny boards). If you enter any of my websites, you'll see in the agreement upon registering that arguments on the forums are not allowed, and if you have an argument, then you need to take it elsewhere.
People have a right to express themselves, but not so much of a right that they can overstep annothers right to enjoy themself. The internet was made (ok, after darpanet and such, speaking onece the internet became a global communication tool) in order to bring people together. Lets not let petty arguments about nothing at all get in the way of this. Lets not make the web such a horrible place to visit that we only go onto it when we absolutely have to. I'd rather not think of the web, and BB's as that part of the city you only go through when you absolutely have to get somewhere.
We have enough aggrivation from Hackers and the like that we don't need to get it from our peers. We're a community, communities support and console each other, lets not become adversarial about this.
Mitch, while your theory about personalities conflicting seems to be right on the money, there is something that you are missing. Morality, morality and kindness are 2 of the most defining aspects of humanity and they should be everpresent in all that we do. Lets not forget our faces at the door, and lets not forget the feelings of others on these boards. Communities only work when the people all work to make them better. Arguments and petty squabbles do nothing to help other people, they exist only to fuel egoists.
QuoteAnd about the personal discussions. Well thats why they are here and well it wouldnt be bad for Bloc to hear some constructive criticism would it?
I seem to see little of the constructive side of this, and more of the critical side when posts come to this. Lets not be critical just for the sake of being critical, lets voice concerns about features or the lack of certain features, and god forbid, help create said features.
Lets not forget that Bloc probably has a life outside of SMF/TP, and he is creating this CMS without making people pay for it, which means he is opperating at a substantial personal loss of money. While he is doing this most likely because he likes to do it, lets not forget the fact that there is a side to everything he creates, and most importantly the time it takes to create, that we all need to keep in the back of our minds.
@g6cad: I'd like to thank you for posting what I have been thinking about posting for over a week now... If I could shell karma, you'd be +'d rite now.
Quote from: TwinsX2Dad on March 20, 2006, 05:14:25 PM
Quote from: feline on March 20, 2006, 12:43:35 PMI read many of your post and now i think it's a good recommendation, to reduce your ... TradeMark ... TwinsX2Dad.
Interesting that you say you've read many of my posts - but you've never taken the time to interact with any of them.....in some cases, you've acted as if I didn't exist and that my post wasn't there.
TwinsX2Dad .. whe are in a support forum .. and my first intention is .. to help any if have problems or questions about TP or SMF.. primary for the germay support.
But .. your post .. i have not found any concret question or help of you ..
I read all and register many of posts .. but i not answer to all, ok?
by the way .. often it's better to think one night, bevor post a reply ... you understand what I mean?
Fel
man you people need to grow up. know what I mean?
Quote from: (ÃÆ'ââ,¬ÂÂÃ,¿ÃÆ'ââ,¬Â) on March 21, 2006, 09:30:17 AM
man you people need to grow up. know what I mean?
You joined today so you have not experienced all of the Tiny Portal "Drama". You should probably not talk and act like you know what is going on.
thanks, Mitch.
This discussion has been good to have..because there have been an increase in agression in topics lately, not really having anything to do with TP or this site in general. I haven't been very strict on forum policy..because I felt that most people that came here often, liked what they read and stayed on, bringing with them a positive feeling and the will to contribute. But maybe thats not possible anymore.
Arguments about the karma function..well, there is an easy way to end that. Arguments about people needing to get back at other people..this isn't a place to get back at anyone, far from it. I can assure you that if the day comes when I no longer want to be on this forum, it will be gone. Plain and simple. I am not saying this to make you feel bad, its just the facts. Life is too short..and in my case( as I am sure for many other great people here too ) family/job does not let me work 24/7 on this site/TP..although I very much like to! ;D
But of course I know about sites getting bigger, and friction starts to set in..it comes with the territory. But it should still be possible to have "clean" community. So I am hoping everyone is on the same page here, if not I can only suggest looking other places...
All this back and forth sniping is only adding fuel to the fire that seems to be already raging. Give it a rest!
I would just like to saw that I will give this a rest. I dont regret anything I said though I am glad this thread came about. It let people get out there agression in a pretty much non-lethal method. People got there feelings out and well I think it has done a greater good. I wont lie I was kind of harsh on the guy who joined today but that kinda of stuff really burns my a$$.
So I will let this go I guess.
Quote from: Bloc on March 21, 2006, 12:58:04 PM
But of course I know about sites getting bigger, and friction starts to set in..it comes with the territory. But it should still be possible to have "clean" community. So I am hoping everyone is on the same page here, if not I can only suggest looking other places...
Maybe you`ll need to create a new board that guests can`t see, and name it "The Ring". then anyone with a grievance can jump in and slug it out there ;)
Condoneing flaming and trolling only makes forums worse. A board for it is a very bad idea, I've never seen one work.
Maybe not. But at least it will be contained. And there are enough "Global Mods" here now to just move anything that`s a bit controversial into it.
Terrific topic guys, sorry I found it too late to really contribute, but my feelings have been expressed by others so I won't carry on further.
I did want to mentioned however, that I visited a site lately, which will remain unnamed, that after I registered and read some posts, I immediately wished I hadn't, due to the atmosphere I perceived on the entire forum.
I really wanted to participate there, but I left with only one post. That is really sad.
Just two things to remember ...
What is a joke in a persons first language can come over as an insult in their second language and
(https://www.tinyportal.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nokonium.plus.com%2Fblack-cat%2Fanimated-gifs%2Fdont-feed-trolls.gif&hash=74a36d6979b25c050c7ce747c81f2027b1f8abf9) don't feed the trolls.
lol, I love that gif nok, hillarious.
Quote from: MAN on March 21, 2006, 01:48:05 PMI visited a site lately, which will remain unnamed, that after I registered and read some posts, I immediately wished I hadn't, due to the atmosphere I perceived on the entire forum.
I really wanted to participate there, but I left with only one post. That is really sad.
We all find sites like that. sometimes it is the people and others it is the people that have power that screw it up. Too many in power can also screw up the worx like it does here. I came here with 3 problems. thru search I found ansewers to all 3 and a couple of probs I didnt know I had. All fixed. I also find this site to have too many of the most arrogant mods Ive seen in awhile who try to play people for idiots. I join here and stir things up a bit. Its the middle of the noight you know? Some tramp jacks around my karma and then starts sending me stupid email about the site here. when I reg'd here I blocked view of my email. Then she says I dont know what I am taking about when i accused her.
Bloc you only need one mod 4 every 500 act members. you have about 3 mods for every act member and you dont have any control over them and you dont want to have controls over them. either you have a support site or you have a ego playground for fools. this site is looking more like its an ego site. If this post gets me banned then that will be more proof of it
Quote from: (ÃÆ'ââ,¬ÂÂÃ,¿ÃÆ'ââ,¬Â) on March 21, 2006, 08:58:06 PMSome(one - TX2D) jacks around my karma and then starts sending me stupid email about the site here.
Been there, saw that. It happened to me, too.
I can vouch that some of the mods here are a big part of the problem.
This site is for the support of Bloc's themes and Tiny Portal, it is not a discussion forum. The moderators are members who stepped up to allow Bloc more time to work on his code.
I have no problem with this, nor do the majority of contributors.
Quote from: TwinsX2Dad on March 21, 2006, 09:24:36 PM
Quote from: (ÃÆ'ââ,¬ÂÂÃ,¿ÃÆ'ââ,¬Â) on March 21, 2006, 08:58:06 PMSome(one - TX2D) jacks around my karma and then starts sending me stupid email about the site here.
Been there, saw that. It happened to me, too.
I can vouch that some of the mods here are a big part of the problem.
I have never once had a problem with the mods here.
Quote from: nokonium on March 21, 2006, 09:30:46 PM
This site is for the support of Bloc's themes and Tiny Portal, it is not a discussion forum.
As I've mentioned elsewhere, this is not an ideal which is universally applied.
And maybe your 'majority of contributors' might number significantly higher if there weren't so many obvious instances of looking the other way when the "favorite children" are abusing people for stating something contrary to the mod's beliefs.
4182 registered members - how many are still here? This tells me that 1) they found what they needed and nothing else made them want to stick around. 2) they didn't find what they needed and left. 3) they saw what was being offered and chose another solution. 4) they were mistreated and left.
By the way - if this is not a discussion forum, why was this thread allowed?
Quote from: TwinsX2Dad on March 21, 2006, 09:41:54 PM
Quote from: nokonium on March 21, 2006, 09:30:46 PM
This site is for the support of Bloc's themes and Tiny Portal, it is not a discussion forum.
As I've mentioned elsewhere, this is not an ideal which is universally applied.
And maybe your 'majority of contributors' might number significantly higher if there weren't so many obvious instances of looking the other way when the "favorite children" are abusing people for stating something contrary to the mod's beliefs.
4182 registered members - how many are still here? This tells me that 1) they found what they needed and nothing else made them want to stick around. 2) they didn't find what they needed and left. 3) they saw what was being offered and chose another solution. 4) they were mistreated and left.
By the way - if this is not a discussion forum, why was this thread allowed?
Your becoming a bit redundant.
I would have to say it would be in this order.
1) Found what was offered and chose something else.
2) Found what they needed.
3) Did not find what they needed.
4) Were mistreated.
People keep complaining about "n00bs" being mistreated. When I was a noob I was welcomed nothing bad was ever said people put up with my stupid questions. Now I have realized those stupid questions have helped out other people. I still think of my self as a noob here.
I have not had a mod be rude or just not help. Any mod I have ever talked to has helped. The only thing I have noticed is that few mods are kind of short in then answer but I am figureing thats cause they are busy. I also know alot of Mods dont view them selves as higher then anyone else either because alot of them stand corrected in what they offered as help and they apolgize for that and what not.
I did have an incident with Twin but now (ÃÆ'ââ,¬ÂÂÃ,¿ÃÆ'ââ,¬Â) is really starting to tick me off.
I mean now the both of you are bashing TP and Bloc and Blocs belief in his Mods. Honestly if you dont like this site or his forums. Go elsewhere! I will honestly say neither of you will be missed by me. And if you tell me if I dont like then leave. I will not leave because of two people. I told you guys to leave because you guys dont like the enviroment that Bloc has to offer. Which is the forums his software his site and HIS mods whom he has faith in.
And (ÃÆ'ââ,¬ÂÂÃ,¿ÃÆ'ââ,¬Â) tell me how do you think that eldacor(sp?) docked your karma? It could have been anyone I mean if I could do it then I would dock your karma now.
Find me one place where I bashed Bloc or TP.
Until then, you're a liar.
Quote from: TwinsX2Dad on March 21, 2006, 09:24:36 PM
I can vouch that some of the mods here are a big part of the problem.
You just bashed the mods, which in part bashed bloc for his lack of ability to select mods to satisfy you.
But true I have not heard YOU bash tp itself no.
Quote from: Mitch on March 21, 2006, 09:54:40 PMAnd (ÃÆ'ââ,¬ÂÂÃ,¿ÃÆ'ââ,¬Â) tell me how do you think that eldacor(sp?) docked your karma? It could have been anyone I mean if I could do it then I would dock your karma now.
I dont think. I know. I am not a blind idiot that thinks all of the wastoids with global moderator under there names are good or honest people. when it is just you and eldocar and your karma goes down then it stays there until eldocar comes back and is in the same topic then goes down again. Then when eldocar sends me email from the site and tells me it is eldocar. Dont be a stupid kid. I can deduct when someone is screwing around. You havent been attacked because your a brown noser. You have it so far up some peoples butts no one can see you to attack you.
Quote from: Mitch on March 21, 2006, 10:00:00 PMYou just bashed the mods, which in part bashed bloc for his lack of ability to select mods to satisfy you.
But true I have not heard YOU bash tp itself no.
No, not all the mods - if the shoe fits, then they should wear it.
I have several instances of situations where
some mods overstepped their bounds. Notice I've not named them in public, but in private conversations here, they are well-known.
Now, as far as the mod selection process, many sites give out moderator positions as a brownie point. On sites like this, it is assumed that someone has been known to help, they're around a lot and they must have their own SMF site, so let's toss them a mod position. The problem is, most haven't a clue as to how to mod and their own sites don't have any traffic.
I personally have a site with 6,000 members and a 15% active ratio - 15% of the members post at least once per month (11% post at least once per week). This is a very high ratio, in case you didn't know. Currently, and for the past 18 months, I've had no moderators on the site other than me. At one point, I named a bunch of mods, based on their willingness to help, their presence and their demeanor. Unfortunately, I midjudged the effect of power. The board lost a lot of members and the posting went way down (active ratio under 3%, or about what this site probably sees).
To salve feelings, I staged a site crash and changed the site from a vB board to an IPB one. I placed the blame on a global moderator "friend" of mine who supposedly existed only to monitor and he didn't post. Because of this crash, I told everyone I was too scared to give out mod positions anymore.
The board returned to its former vitality, but it took 6 months and a lot of mass mailings to do so. We never did get back some of the original members, though.
So, you've not had problems. You've not hurt their feelings. But I do remember seeing your karma take a big hit over that theme issue.
And no, I have never said anything contrary about Bloc or TP. In fact, I have said nothing but good things about them, going so far as arguing (in private) against someone with a vendetta against both. I have said a few bad things about SMF, but I've also been known to say bad things about many other message board products.
Message boards are a passing fad, their peak is past. They mean nothing in the greater scheme of things other than a tool for those who can't build their own Web site to build their own Web site and be in control of others.
It is a power thing.
Give it a rest FFS
For the record, I never sent (ÃÆ'ââ,¬ÂÂÃ,¿ÃÆ'ââ,¬Â) an email. I don't even have his/her address.