Pop legend Michael Jackson is reported to have died of a heart attack after he was rushed to hospital in Los Angeles
Source (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/26/2609021.htm?section=entertainment)
Yep, he was only 50 years old.
In so many ways he was a tragic character. A boy who never was allowed to have a childhood. I wonder what the rest of us might have done if we had walked in his shoes.
Here's a BBC article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8119993.stm
I quite liked MJs music when I was a kid, not quite the crazed fan, but I had some of his albums and read the biography, Moonwalk. I think if those albums were released today being heard for the first time, they'd still be smash hits.
Well, you had my money and squandered it on being plastic.. I'm gonna download a few albums instead of rushing out to buy the "Best of's" "An evening with.." "The Jackson 5 - Remastered".
RIP
A lot of children will be safer in the future...
Quote from: G6 on June 26, 2009, 08:17:06 AM
A lot of children will be safer in the future...
LMFAO....although that is true
he is a true icon, even Geiko uses him in their commercials (US)
I don't think most people know he was exonerated for the child molesting charges. People can point fingers and make assumptions about whether he was guilty or not, but it doesn't change the fact that this guy made history as the "King of Pop" like no one has ever before. Its too bad he wasn't able to shake of his problems. He had so much more potential just waiting to be used. Its unfortunate it had to end so suddenly. I feel very sorry for his children.
Quote from: G6 on June 26, 2009, 08:17:06 AM
A lot of children will be safer in the future...
*sigh*
Quote from: IchBin™ on June 26, 2009, 08:00:39 PM
I don't think most people know he was exonerated for the child molesting charges. People can point fingers and make assumptions about whether he was guilty or not, but it doesn't change the fact that this guy made history as the "King of Pop" like no one has ever before. Its too bad he wasn't able to shake of his problems. He had so much more potential just waiting to be used. Its unfortunate it had to end so suddenly. I feel very sorry for his children.
+k
Rest well :)
I didn't really care for MJ's music in any way and even though he was very weird I can't help feeling sorry for the guy! I do not believe any of the child molestation stories in any form. I see a lonely, childlike person who felt comfortable and at peace with children. All the accusations were by money grabbing scum who were out for what they could get.
Gerry
Can only agreed, people are so quick to judge when the media can turn anything into a disaster, I have little faith in any "truths" there.
Anyways, he was still a master of music and dance, just see how his styles have influenced generations.
Speaking of which..I don't listen that often to his music lol, but for me "Thriller" will always be best. It wasn't so "cold" as his later music and very innovative.(Might also have something to do that I was in my teens when it came out lmao :D )
Yeah same here. I watched a lot of the tribute shows that have been on almost instantly in the UK. Not a bad thing. But I was blow away (again) by his dancing in videos like Smooth Criminal. I've never seen anyone so in control of their body. Amazing. Sad to see him go.
What I find amusing is how every TV channel is already geared up with tributes post produced.. Add a few dates here, add a few "Star" opinions there.. Job done, On the Air ready to go! They are either very professional and brilliant at whipping up countless shows, or they've been waiting for years for the announcement of a "Stars" death.
They had one waiting for Diana, they've probably got one lined up for Madonna and how amazing she was (past tense) and she had a strange obsession for wanting to adopt fashionable black kids. Pity Jacko's are white, she'd have probably snapped them up.
and where is the Billy Mays thread :'(
oh and poor Fawcett, MJ stole all her glory
You can certainly start a Billy Mays thread.
It is true that Michael Jackson's death did eclipse Farrah Fawcett's. However, there was a lot about Farrah's upcoming death for several weeks beforehand, including a two-hour tv special about her illness. Ryan O'Neal was on every magazine show on tv. So a lot of the grieving over Farrah happened before she died. Michael Jackson's death was so sudden and unexpected, especially after the announcement of the upcoming concerts. It takes a while to process a "surprise" like that.
Quote from: G6 on June 26, 2009, 08:17:06 AM
A lot of children will be safer in the future...
WOW! I ACTUALLY agree w/ G6 on something ;D Michael Jackson made some great music, but... it's all mitigated and undermined by the fact he became a freak and most probably DID molest young boys :o
I've been hearing some great jokes, but most probably I shouldn't post them. :P
Quote from: IchBinâ„¢ on June 26, 2009, 08:00:39 PM
I don't think most people know he was exonerated for the child molesting charges.
It was more they just didn't have enough hard evidence. A 40 some year old man sleeping naked w/ someone else's children. :o Just sad.
QuotePeople can point fingers and make assumptions about whether he was guilty or not, but it doesn't change the fact that this guy made history as the "King of Pop" like no one has ever before. Its too bad he wasn't able to shake of his problems. He had so much more potential just waiting to be used. Its unfortunate it had to end so suddenly. I feel very sorry for his children.
He was one of those cases where too much fame and money made him go nuts. The only good thing I thought was he not only went out in debt, but $400 MILLION in debt :P How does it take $30. million a year to live? Ack!
Like I said, we don't have all the facts and probably never will, so why pass judgment on half-truths and hidden agendas. :P He was rich, alone and probably a little crazy, I think thats about it one can draw out of it.
oh yeah, and he did manage to sell quite a few records BEFORE any of the "things" happended as well. Even Elvis have done some cazy stuff, Beatles likewise, but its not those things that have become their legacy.
I'd never judge a dead human being for what they allegedly done while living , it just ant right -----
Quote from: Crip on June 29, 2009, 11:13:13 PM
I'd never judge a dead human being for what they allegedly done while living , it just ant right -----
Nah, I judged him while he WAS living. I'm over it now.
Quote from: Bloc on June 29, 2009, 10:09:05 PM
Like I said, we don't have all the facts and probably never will, so why pass judgment on half-truths and hidden agendas. :P He was rich, alone and probably a little crazy, I think thats about it one can draw out of it.
Too much money, too much fame, too young.
Quoteoh yeah, and he did manage to sell quite a few records BEFORE any of the "things" happened as well. Even Elvis have done some crazy stuff, Beatles likewise, but its not those things that have become their legacy.
People believe what they wish to believe. Some will forget the "Elephant Man" and Bubbles. Some won't. I'm moving on, just tired of media BS on it.
Quote from: sturmkatze on June 30, 2009, 07:01:35 AM
People believe what they wish to believe. Some will forget the "Elephant Man" and Bubbles. Some won't. I'm moving on, just tired of media BS on it.
Clearly, because you seem to be one of the many who believe what they want to believe, yet "tired of media BS on it", that same media BS that puts stars up on pedestal's and then tear them back down again.
None of you know what really went on, the only thing you know is the media spin, the news reports from every biased and nasty angle.
NO, I am tired of the television and newspapers being filled w/ adulation for this sick, perverted freak.He had some great music, but that's negated by his later actions. Sorry, but I lived close by there and had to listen to all the trial stuff as it went on. I suppose you believe OJ Simpson is innocent too. Scott Peterson maybe? Guess what, I wanted them to be innocent until I heard the stuff.
It gets annoying when it's plastered all over the news and eclipses the news of someone decent (like Farrah Fawcett) dying.
Ok, this went out of hand and are not focused on what it were meant for so I think it's a good time to lock this topic now.
RIP MJ.
Quote from: sturmkatze on June 30, 2009, 07:30:03 AM
I suppose you believe OJ Simpson is innocent too. Scott Peterson maybe? Guess what, I wanted them to be innocent until I heard the stuff.
I suppose you supposed. I'm in no position to judge anybody. I only know what I read in the press and what I see on the TV.
Why lock the topic? It's a discussion.. we have opinions and we're entitled to them. I may not agree with them and I'll often say nothing. MJ put himself in a position where it was far too easy for people to make him a target. Regardless of his music, people trusted him, like you'd expect to be able to trust a nursery teacher with your kids. Louise Woodward was trusted not to cause harm to the child in her care. People trusted MJ because they believed he was a role model for kids. And out of all the kids that were left in his care, Iââ,¬â,,¢m surprised that only 2, so far, have made accusations.. I would have expected far more. Perhaps theyââ,¬â,,¢ll come crawling out of the woodwork now heââ,¬â,,¢s dead.
What MJ did was either very naïve, or he was guilty. Eccentric is a word I'd use to describe MJ.
| St. Matthew: 7 |
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ââ,¬Â¢ Judging Others
ââ,¬Â¢1>> Judge not, that ye be not judged.
ââ,¬Â¢2>> For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
ââ,¬Â¢3>> And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
ââ,¬Â¢4>> Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
ââ,¬Â¢5>> Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
I locked it because it wasent a topic for discussion, it was an annoncment of MJs death, discuss who did what and why and if is not a discussion i like to see here on TP even if it's in chitchat i think the subject is ok but the topic is out of line.
There are other forums to discuss things like the ones you took this topic to.
Quote from: G6 on June 26, 2009, 08:17:06 AM
A lot of children will be safer in the future...
The place where you first took the topic to?
And you the rest of the world together with sturmkatze
/me kicks the dead horse
One might have strong opinions about child molesters generally, but putting MJ as a prime example of it is bit too much - since nonw of you can put forward real facts.
You know all you think know courtesy of the press. I'll rest my case. :)
Oh, I don't think it should be closed, its a discussion after all.
I don't want to continue an argument between the team here or any of the other members, but I will say this, G6, you seemed to be happy enough with the topic when "sturmkatze" was agreeing with you. Thats his opinion and he's entitled to it, as are you. I'm equally entitled to disagree, whether strongly or not.
The topic was civil and hadn't spiralled "out of line" to the point of needing to be locked.
Quote from: IchBinâ„¢ on June 30, 2009, 03:48:15 PM
/me kicks the dead horse
LMAO!!!
Quote from: Bloc on June 30, 2009, 09:12:49 PM
One might have strong opinions about child molesters generally, but putting MJ as a prime example of it is bit too much - since nonw of you can put forward real facts.
You know all you think know courtesy of the press. I'll rest my case. :)
Oh, I don't think it should be closed, its a discussion after all.
I agree. Opinions are just that but if there are no facts then maybe stating that something is your opinion but being tactful would make things more open for discussion.
aw ive been ignoring this thread cos i thought it was just gonna be dull... looks like ive missed out on all the action.
I've been pretty much avoiding stuff that's been on the news about MJ, but today one of the news magazine shows was on and I didn't bother turning it off. There was a friend of MJ on there who had some home video of times when MJ and his children came to visit the friend. One of them had a bit where MJ was blindfolded and taken some place as a surprise. When they took the blindfold off, he realized he was in a supermarket. He was ecstatic! He said he never got to go shopping like normal people because he would be mobbed (the supermarket was closed to everyone else at the point). He really was like a little kid going down the aisles and picking stuff off of the shelves to buy. It made me sad to think of his being so isolated.
Wow! I haven't been back because I saw G6 had said she was closing it. Now I see it wasn't. Oh well. It's all done. Again, too much money, too young and waaaaay too much power and people building him up. Could ANYONE withstand that? I doubt it... I wouldn't be buying chimps, playgrounds, etc. but sure as sh*t I'd be buying belt-fed machine guns and armor and all kinds of neato toys. I'd do what i wanted and well, you know, go crazy! ???
To each his own. :D
If I had that kind of money, I'd be buying a big mountain and the biggest bulldozer I could find, and I'd be out there working on leveling that thing every day. People would probably call me crazy too, but then do you think I would care what others thought. If you said "No" you'd be right.
ZP
Congratulations, levelling a mountain is the most bizarre thing I have come across do to if you had loads of money ! But it's strangely commendable too. Yeah flatten that sucker!
Quote from: sturmkatze on July 06, 2009, 08:11:06 AM
Wow! I haven't been back because I saw G6 had said she was closing it. Now I see it wasn't. Oh well. It's all done. Again, too much money, too young and waaaaay too much power and people building him up. Could ANYONE withstand that? I doubt it... I wouldn't be buying chimps, playgrounds, etc. but sure as sh*t I'd be buying belt-fed machine guns and armor and all kinds of neato toys. I'd do what i wanted and well, you know, go crazy! ???
oddly you scare me, and I am not scared by much
Quote from: ZarPrime on July 06, 2009, 01:58:43 PM
To each his own. :D
If I had that kind of money, I'd be buying a big mountain and the biggest bulldozer I could find, and I'd be out there working on leveling that thing every day. People would probably call me crazy too, but then do you think I would care what others thought. If you said "No" you'd be right.
ZP
:up: that has to be one of the most brilliant things I have ever heard of doing
Quote from: Lord Anubis on July 06, 2009, 03:03:32 PM
Quote from: sturmkatze on July 06, 2009, 08:11:06 AM
Wow! I haven't been back because I saw G6 had said she was closing it. Now I see it wasn't. Oh well. It's all done. Again, too much money, too young and waaaaay too much power and people building him up. Could ANYONE withstand that? I doubt it... I wouldn't be buying chimps, playgrounds, etc. but sure as sh*t I'd be buying belt-fed machine guns and armor and all kinds of neato toys. I'd do what i wanted and well, you know, go crazy! ???
oddly you scare me, and I am not scared by much
Perhaps if he had the money, those re-enactments wouldn't "acted" any longer ;)
best start Moonwalking.. there's a gap in the market :P
Quote from: Lord Anubis on July 06, 2009, 03:03:32 PM
Quote from: sturmkatze on July 06, 2009, 08:11:06 AM
Wow! I haven't been back because I saw G6 had said she was closing it. Now I see it wasn't. Oh well. It's all done. Again, too much money, too young and waaaaay too much power and people building him up. Could ANYONE withstand that? I doubt it... I wouldn't be buying chimps, playgrounds, etc. but sure as sh*t I'd be buying belt-fed machine guns and armor and all kinds of neato toys. I'd do what i wanted and well, you know, go crazy! ???
oddly you scare me, and I am not scared by much
I scare you why? Because I want guns or something? They're legal here and I've never shot anyone and am not a criminal. I like history. I'm sure I'd also by another sailboat too.
Quote from: Zetan on July 06, 2009, 03:15:47 PM
Perhaps if he had the money, those re-enactments wouldn't "acted" any longer ;)
best start Moonwalking.. there's a gap in the market :P
Do you really think so? Reenacting is a hobby just like any other. We don't hurt people, we don't go out and beat people up. My reenacting is not like some biker w/ no muffler on his Harley, going down the road wearing a t-shirt that says
"Can you see me NOW ASSHOLE!" right where old people and children can see it.
History is neat, unfortunately the way it is taught in school, it is very boring :(
belt-fed machine guns (https://www.tinyportal.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.thebothanspy.com%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fnono.gif&hash=c29919d591d95fc414eb9f57d05d1c15dbd74cc7) not legal :P
but if they are for re-enactment purposes (replicas) thats a different story :)
so not scared anymore whoo hoo :D
Quote from: Lord Anubis on July 06, 2009, 04:54:06 PM
belt-fed machine guns (https://www.tinyportal.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.thebothanspy.com%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fnono.gif&hash=c29919d591d95fc414eb9f57d05d1c15dbd74cc7) not legal :P
but if they are for re-enactment purposes (replicas) thats a different story :)
so not scared anymore whoo hoo :D
Ahh contraire... depending where you live, they are indeed legal. Yes, you have to go through some paperwork, background checks, pay a special tax stamp, but you can own an MG. Not in place like NY, NJ, IL or Cali and maybe a couple of others, but truly, it is legal. They don't just let any idiot have one--which is WHY no one has committed a crime w/ a legal MG. Of course, if you're not in the US, that doesn't apply, but in the U.S. ...
And for the most part, we use the real thing in reenacting... they're "blank-adapted" to fire blanks. Unlike Hollywierd shows, semi-auto and full auto, etc. guns don't cycle w/ out something to restrict the gas when fired w/ blanks.
Have I just horrified you? I don't have an MG, I was always more interested in eating, but... back in the day, I could have bought a belt-fed Maxim '08/15 for $1800. I just didn't have a credit card and he wouldn't take payments. C'est La Vie! >:D