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As suggested in another topic I am wondering if people really want past versions of TP being available in the download section.

Voted no on the question.
The reaason is

1. Several versions have been released since then
2. As said by Zarprime, in order to support it now, we have to have it installed to be able to test things as the newer versions kind of made atleast me to forget a lot about how TP 098 worked.
3. Most support questions about TP 098 we see now are about block code and snippets, they also change a lot since tp v098, so if we have TP 098 for download, we also need to keep track of old block code and snippets and IMHO they are many outdated and impossible to keep track of since many of them arent even made by any of us here, but users that have changed or moved a way from TP.
4. To much work for a small team as we actually are in compare to the bigger software forums out there, even if they are bigger and have a huge staff, they still remove old versions for the new ones.
Simply put, we have no time and not a bigg enough staff to help the ones that download and install them to their forums.
5. new people that install and use SMF and then come here for a portal will have a hard time with what version they can download and install, we all know there arent many members that actually read what we say or search the forum, so they will download any thing and then break their forums, get upset because we have outdated versions for download etc etc.

So, no, as Zarprime say, lets see the future instead of being stuck in the past.

I also voted no.. for the reasons i stated in the other thread.

My reasoning on this question follows along the same lines as what G6 has posted.

One of my main points would be compatibility with current versions of our Block Code Snippets as well as versions of SMF. Lately our Code Specialists have been working hard on trying to update and support our snippets and other codes to work with SMF2.x - TP1.x and needing to continue writing and updating for older versions would add to that workload for them as well as the rest of the TP Team.

As I pointed out in another post, imho keeping older versions available only makes the process of upgrading all the more painful whenever a site is finally brought up to date, because instead of making a series of 'small' updates a site would have to suffer through a 'giant leap' when they are forced at some point to make to move to newer versions... and I think we all know that would happen at some point.

Quote from: Ken. on May 08, 2010, 12:25:35 PM
My reasoning on this question follows along the same lines as what G6 has posted.

One of my main points would be compatibility with current versions of our Block Code Snippets as well as versions of SMF. Lately our Code Specialists have been working hard on trying to update and support our snippets and other codes to work with SMF2.x - TP1.x and needing to continue writing and updating for older versions would add to that workload for them as well as the rest of the TP Team.

No need for any of these problems, as it would be an archived version, no longer supported.  For people who still use it.  That said, I bet if someone asked for some help with a block snippet the one of the members here would still rise to the challenge as always. 

Or will they now get told, sorry we no longer support that version you need to upgrade to TP 1.  :D

PS:  I obviously voted yes.  O0

No, i don't really see the point.

Yes - obviously [unknown] reasons :)

definitely yes....

one of the things we (try to) do at work (non web related!) is make sure all the tools we use are recorded & archived so we can repeat the activity at any time in the future.. if a particular project is resurrected a few years down the line.

in terms of one of my websites.... for example i recently transferred hosts, it was easiest to do a fresh install of smf & TP and then overwrite the database... than to transfer all the files.

that site was on 1.0b4, as it stands currently i'd now be stuck since i cant download it for a fresh install.

(as it was i had made sure i had all the original installation packages stored locally)

I voted "It doesn't matter." I think Bloc should do whatever he wants to do. If someone is first starting out, they should probably use the newest version. Those already familiar with .9.8 (or other versions) have it in their Packages folder if they want to set up a similar site.

It is possible that people aren't aware that the files exist in the folder, though. Now they know. :-)

I think I've changed my mind a bit on this. I don't mind giving them access to older downloads, as long as it is clear that there is no support given for anything in the archived section. But on the flip side of that, I would always go along with what Bloc decides if he wanted something else.

Quote from: G6 on May 08, 2010, 11:34:28 AM
Voted no on the question.
The reaason is

1. Several versions have been released since then
2. As said by Zarprime, in order to support it now, we have to have it installed to be able to test things as the newer versions kind of made atleast me to forget a lot about how TP 098 worked.
3. Most support questions about TP 098 we see now are about block code and snippets, they also change a lot since tp v098, so if we have TP 098 for download, we also need to keep track of old block code and snippets and IMHO they are many outdated and impossible to keep track of since many of them arent even made by any of us here, but users that have changed or moved a way from TP.
4. To much work for a small team as we actually are in compare to the bigger software forums out there, even if they are bigger and have a huge staff, they still remove old versions for the new ones.
Simply put, we have no time and not a bigg enough staff to help the ones that download and install them to their forums.
5. new people that install and use SMF and then come here for a portal will have a hard time with what version they can download and install, we all know there arent many members that actually read what we say or search the forum, so they will download any thing and then break their forums, get upset because we have outdated versions for download etc etc.

So, no, as Zarprime say, lets see the future instead of being stuck in the past.

I agree with G6  ;)

Quote from: IchBinâ„¢ on May 09, 2010, 06:10:19 AM
I think I've changed my mind a bit on this. I don't mind giving them access to older downloads, as long as it is clear that there is no support given for anything in the archived section.

Exactly, this is what I've said from the beginning.  O0

I voted No for support reasons. It's obsolete software. Microsoft no longer sells Windows 98 and if you happen to have a copy, you're on your own as it's no longer supported.

I voted yes for a one main reason, some people might like having the lesser features of TP 0.9.8

Voted No... again like other support reasons.

Quote from: Renegd98 on May 09, 2010, 07:34:36 PM
Voted No... again like other support reasons.

We are not asking fo support, just a few KB's of space in the download section.  ;)

yes
voted

Voted NO as well, mainly for support reasons + i feel it's time to move on. In fact, i'm planning on removing my TP 0.9 themes very soon.

I voted nopers...lol

tis good that we had them when they were needed but now with the newer ones we should concentrate on them. They are more secure and some may take a bit of learning but nothing hard---hey if I can do it so can someone younger with more comp experience...lol  :angel:

thanks for the mods and tech support, that to me is the best thing for any product free or not...support when you have trouble and not being made to feel like a both or dunce for asking for help too.

I changed my vote to "Yes". Others have mentioned that Windows doesn't have available all the past versions and that's true, although they do still support XP, Vista and 7, and possibly earlier versions. However, SMF has all of the previous versions available, starting with 1.0 RC1. As far as I know, they only support SMF 1.11 and SMF 2.0 RC3, but you can download any version that has been released to the public.

it never occured to me that having the older versions handy would be a good thing ...especially if they install the newer version on older smf and don't like it.

I always keep a copy of the older one (1 behind the latest) to reinstall if something goes wrong or if I need to check a file for something....just to snoop and learn...lol

so I guess having it there is a good thing after all with the disclaimer that no support is given anymore. Just  :knuppel2: me...but I love this software totally and it is very secure.

Oops, looks like someone else has changed their vote to no. :(

Correct me if I'm wrong, but so far it seems like the voting is users versus the TP team at the moment. lol.. :)

Quote from: lurkalot on May 18, 2010, 06:28:49 PM
Oops, looks like someone else has changed their vote to no. :(

Correct me if I'm wrong, but so far it seems like the voting is users versus the TP team at the moment. lol.. :)

Sorry but you're corrected, I am not a TP Team Member. Just a plain old user here and I voted NO.

QuoteCorrect me if I'm wrong, but so far it seems like the voting is users versus the TP team at the moment. lol..

You might be right about a general trend, but I'm part of the Team and I voted "Yes" (I originally voted "It doesn't matter" but changed it).

I am not team member or the creation process either...I just come in to bug with sometimes idiotic questions or cosmetic questions to  make minor changes...


or when the software gives me an error I know nothing of where to find or how to fix it.I too at first said get rid of them but then of course I have the previous version on my computer along with the current versions but if a person has never used the TP it might be useful to have the older versions to learn on.

On the other hand sometimes learning from a current version is better, having fresh usage vs the ability to have had a workable TP then get the new one and find that things are totally different (placement of admin controls and such) in the new ones....but that is just me and I confuse real easy.

I love this software and never tell anyone to get any other type.

i'm a long time user of TP .. 7.0 / 6.5 .. ? ..way back ..Lol..  and saw it change in places , each TP_version has it's goods & not so good changes ..ya know?
..truth is , TP_v098 is my personal Fav of all , I knoW it well inside - out .. it has all i need or use ... we all love TP that's why were here..  my 2Ã,¢

Well, the voting seems to be somewhat inconclusive if you ask me.  Ultimately, since this isn't really a democracy, the final decision will be up to Bloc.  It seems that enough people voted "Yes" to warrant that this be further discussed on the Team Board.  There seems to be some sentiment to having the older versions available for download but I'm still not in favor of making these older versions readily available simply because of the support issue.  If we can make everyone understand that the older versions are deprecated and won't be supported so that we won't have to have 10 different test sites setup to support them, I am not so sure that having the older versions available is such a bad idea.

ZarPrime

0.98 is not secure unfortunately, i had a sneaky shell injection problem this week which resulted in major permission gain, with a rewrite of index.php. i had been putting off upgrading - as it worked well but this was the second semi-successful attack and we could not afford to compromise the other sites (the attack included password cracking etc

the files have been forwarded to smf

big thx to Zar for supporting me through a hectic 24 hours upgrading - but all is well so thx again

Quote from: stog on May 22, 2010, 11:17:42 PM
0.98 is not secure unfortunately, i had a sneaky shell injection problem this week which resulted in major permission gain, with a rewrite of index.php. i had been putting off upgrading - as it worked well but this was the second semi-successful attack and we could not afford to compromise the other sites (the attack included password cracking etc

the files have been forwarded to smf

big thx to Zar for supporting me through a hectic 24 hours upgrading - but all is well so thx again

So how do you know it was TP 0.9.8 that is the problem? Just because the file was in the TP folder, doesn't mean it was a TP problem. Instead of making the claim, why not investigate and help us find out what the problem is so that we can fix it? Shells can be put on a server in about a thousand different ways. If there is a way for this shell to put in as you say, it could likely be that the same problem would exist in the newer version of TP.

i have PM ed you (we are investigating it btw :)

also see http://www.tinyportal.net/index.php?topic=13551.msg255362#msg255362