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Offline IchBin

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Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« on: February 16, 2014, 01:55:45 PM »
Here's a short list of small changes I've made to TinyPortal in the upcoming 1.1 release. You are free to download the updates from github. However, just know that you should not run this software on a live production site, unless you really know what you are doing, and can deal with bugs in software. I'm sure we'll miss something.

General Updates:
  • General code clean-up as I felt motivated lol
  • Removed SMF1.x support - SMF 1 will soon be end of lifed (EOL'd) if it hasn't already.
  • Added read more link for forum posts as articles on front page.
  • Changed error logging when losers try to hit non-existing articles.
  • Adding guest permission for comments
  • Updating social icons for sharing article
  • A little bit of caching added. Should reduce some queries.
  • Using more hooks for less file edits to install.

Shoutbox updates:
  • Added ajax to shout/delete without page refresh.
  • Added timer to ajax update shouts for time specified.
  • Added permission to shout in shoutbox.
  • Added option to allow/disallow links in shoutbox.
  • Shout smiley's should now pull from SMF smiley's.
  • Option to submit shout when pressing enter key.
  • Option to choose between 2 layouts.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2014, 06:37:20 PM by IchBin™ »

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2014, 03:11:00 PM »
Good job  O0

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2014, 03:00:28 AM »
All good changes it seems. :) Great work, Brad + team.

I haven't followed it so closely lately, but is the feedback generally? Does it seem a lot of users are still using TP?

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2014, 08:20:55 AM »
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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2014, 08:23:16 AM »
Thanks for all the hard work, Brad & Team and Bloc  ( for creating it)  and I will give it a try, but I don't feel there will be any issues..
 I think many are still interested in TP, as I am, nothing like it for me anyway :) of the top 2, I still like it best!
I use it proudly!

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2014, 09:00:20 AM »
Well this site certainly has died down over the last couple of years. But I'm still seeing users out there asking questions between here and SMF. I mostly just want to keep it compatible with the SMF 2.0.x until it's just too much work for me. Don't really want to make major changes at the moment. Mostly thinking about doing my own stuff if anything else happens.

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2014, 09:24:51 AM »
Site maybe is dying but not TP. TP just works! and this is the most important thing. I'll have troubles and lot of work when I will need to switch to SMF 2.1 without TP (this time is comming sad but true :( and I hope we will figure out how TP could work with SMF 2.1).

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2014, 09:27:11 AM »
Well this site certainly has died down over the last couple of years. But I'm still seeing users out there asking questions between here and SMF. I mostly just want to keep it compatible with the SMF 2.0.x until it's just too much work for me. Don't really want to make major changes at the moment. Mostly thinking about doing my own stuff if anything else happens.
Ok. Out of curiosity, what are you working on these days?

Site maybe is dying but not TP. TP just works! and this is the most important thing. I'll have troubles and lot of work when I will need to switch to SMF 2.1 without TP (this time is comming sad but true :( and I hope we will figure out how TP could work with SMF 2.1).
I see the need to keep TP stable and make it work across SMF versions, especially for SMF 2.1. If it were to be taken to next level though..what would that be?

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2014, 09:42:16 AM »
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I see the need to keep TP stable and make it work across SMF versions, especially for SMF 2.1. If it were to be taken to next level though..what would that be?

Bloc, Thanks for that and it's  good to know although, I test many things out, I still think SMF is tops, of all I have tested, TP the same, so good to know! And I still like your work and themes!

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2014, 10:12:15 AM »
Well this site certainly has died down over the last couple of years. But I'm still seeing users out there asking questions between here and SMF. I mostly just want to keep it compatible with the SMF 2.0.x until it's just too much work for me. Don't really want to make major changes at the moment. Mostly thinking about doing my own stuff if anything else happens.
Ok. Out of curiosity, what are you working on these days?

On my free time I haven't been working on anything else really.  At work I've been playing with angularjs, which is freakishly awesome. I've thought about doing a stand alone portal that could integrate with other systems. But really that has been done to death. lol It would be more for my learning PHP better than anything else.

I'm not sure though. Taking on such a big project as you know is a ton of work. I'd love to see TP live on. But really I don't see that happening without a significant rewrite to bring things up to par with most other coding projects.

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2014, 05:27:59 PM »
I still use TP and SMF and i love it <3

I really hope that you guys continue supporting it now that i have got used to how it works and where to find stuff. It would be missed alot by me if you decide to stop the support for it. IchBin, if you choose to go for a own project, what would it look like? Would it not be better to enhance TP since it has reputation? For a free software, i think TP+SMF is awesome.

I think that if you choose to close it, i will end up using PHP Nuke with themes from clanthemes.com and then buy all modules, it easy, but not free. Are you thinking of a portal you would get paid for by the users?

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2014, 05:33:11 PM »
Well I would close the site down without seeing if someone wanted to continue the work first. TP's code is not really at a point where you can just enhance it of any significance without rewriting it. If I were to continue, it would be a start over project for me.

I wouldn't be in for making a portal for the money either. I wouldn't complain if it happened, but that certainly is not my primary goal. :) Been a long time since I've looked at PHP Nuke. Last time I remember it being a major resource hog, so I hope that has gotten better. :)

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2014, 11:19:59 AM »
Its understandable. The work on TP spanned over years, so of course its not easy to just dive in and expand it. Its even a bit daunting for me, not the code as it is, but because I want to change so much of it, to improve it.

I hope it will be maintained through all 2.0.x versions though.

Personally I have considered merging TP with Protendo - since Protendo is based on the 2.0.x codebase. So far I haven't found the right mix for that..but as Protendo is now a lot leaner than SMF, it would make sense, at least if I trimmed TP's code too. Still contemplating this, so please don't assume anything. I am just airing my thoughts since I feel TP is very much still is a legacy I should bring on further. Or at least transform it into a new form, while the original TP  exists as it is for SMF 2, maybe even 2.1( this is more up to Ichbin now, of course).   

Short version: I think its difficult to set a direction for everyone involved, especially as the use of forums generally is dwindling. It then becomes a case of whether you think its worth the time to work more on it.There are already enough software that just collects dust, IMO.

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2014, 12:07:10 PM »
I have considered merging TP with Protendo

No matter what you end up doing bloc, i wish you all the best with your next project. I have enjoyed some of your themes and TP for many years now on various sites ive been lucky enough to be part of and manage. You are very skilled and always bring quality work, i just may try whatever you decide to throw out of content.

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2014, 04:37:02 PM »
Same here, wish you best Bloc.

But... I'm very disappointed that so many people has been merged, left, decided to change (or whatever you want to describe it) to many SMF forks :( really it's not good for further development. You will see that in future, there will be 100+ forks and 98% of them will die. This happens always and it will happen here. I'm suprised that people do not learn on their mistakes or other project mistakes.
I know there was some issues with SMF lately, this time has been passed...there is big competiton out there (free scripts) and for sure only 2 or 3 are on top. SMF, phpBB, myBB, so we should not leave big projects behind and start some small all over again; projects that will die sooner or later.

SMF is amazing script same as TP is amazing modification for it. One of the best (for me major and the most important :) ) mod that I could not even see SMF without it. I hope and for sure not only me count that TP will stick always with SMF directly. Believe me, forks should be additional scripts that TP is compatible with them but not major mod for them.

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2014, 06:01:54 PM »
I see your point and in a way I agree. But the things I like to do, the things I started with in TP and more so in Protendo just can't be done in a mod alone.

Elkarte is really a reaction to SMF not changing fast enough, especially with going full OOP on the codebase. So they too need their arena outside of SMF. SMF itself is going slowly in a somewhat same direction as Elkarte, so you could argue those two should merge at one point. But I don't think Protendo's features will ever fit in with SMF, so its not a choice I can make really.

As for keeping TP with SMF, sure, thats not too hard, maintaining it and optimizing it maybe. But the essence of TP is so close what Protendo does, it makes sense to add that into its core. As already said, I am not sure where the meeting points between TP and Protendo will be, but I know they will go in same direction. Just as Elkarte and SMF  is going in the same direction.

As for people leaving SMF team..well, they all have had their reasons, but by now I am not even sure all those reasons were all valid enough. I just know they were fatal and theres not a lot we can do about that now.

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2014, 04:50:22 AM »
For sure you are right, but what happens with for ex. Elkarte or Protendo if main developers will leave the procject? I'm not sure that there is so many devs who want to continue their work. It's same situation with TP, if IchBin will stop develope it TP will die. I hope it will not happens but if? I dont see ppl who will continue IchBin's work and your work of course.

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2014, 05:05:46 AM »
Thats a risk, true.

But if theres any deducing to be had from SMF in recent years, it is that when the original authors are gone, the software stagnates. SMF isn't that innovative machine it was 10 years ago, and those that now add to it, are most interested in keeping it stable. Thats admirable in itself..but it makes it impossible for those that want to do more, to work on it.

So what can you do?  :)

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2014, 07:02:36 AM »
Even though, it may not be possible or feasible?
Is to have some of the above mentioned systems merged in to one somehow. Maybe some as plug ins or add an on, to the main or mother ship example; like Elkarte or SMF future version, with something like Protendo, (but Elkarte preferably), that would enable one to have to social abilities in the package. Like the blog and media. galleries and possible other stuff or features that Protendo may offer up? :)

I have mentioned many times, that there is nothing like SMF and I mean this and also, if something a WordPress like system and SMF could be combined, some how? but (main functionality such as social stuff)  and also  fit TP or it's future thoughts in there also.

Maybe far fetched Ideas, but never the less, vision of the future, in my thoughts anyway.
It seems to me that there are already many contributors at Elkarte, that get along and are having fun with this project.. I can only hope that more could jump on board the peace train and keep something new and exciting going, without legal complications of course!

Thanks to all out there, doing their thing and doing it well!

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2014, 08:30:45 AM »
The problem isn't that something is going well, people having a good time etc. I am sure being onboard Elkarte would be fun in any respect - but their ideas have already strayed from what I would like to work on. So I rather work on something I can control than trying to persuade someone that its worthile having in.

Do you honestly think Elkarte would be interested in my boardtype ideas? Or that Wedge would be remotely interested in my ideas about themes - seeing as Nao have already dismissed the concept of themes altogether?

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2014, 08:36:22 AM »
And to add: there was an attempt to port TP to Elkarte. I am not sure how that is now, but it wasn't exactly cheered forward. I may remember wrong, but I think there was some resistance to it, since Elkarte would seemingly have its own "portal" features anyway.And why not? But using something already existing was not in the cards, and I can underatnd that.

Just another example of what I just said though, as long as someone else is calling the shots, you can't count on having the freedom you need to reach your goals.And thats why forking is important - even if it doesn't pan out in the end popularity-wise.

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2014, 10:36:25 AM »
Even though they all may not be, or can not be.
I have seen what you are capable of achieving, working your magic integrating the  Blog, gallery and side panels into to the same, with Admin controls and all. Let us keep in mind but at same time forget about what they doing.( please), for now, I'm thinking more of what you can do and have done already! I know allot of it shows in Protendo and the past things you have toyed with. I guess what I'm trying to say is, if someone can take it to the level where it will be useful to all users , not just the forum, although SMF is the best for me at this point, and I see Protedo looking very  promising.
The only things that are ( maybe ) missing are the things I know you can do or have already done at one point or another. Yes I test Wedge just like everyone else's systems, but even though I see it very useful and full of surprise.
And I have mentioned to Nao and the others, I can't work that well with those skins and some of the code they use.

I will not take anyone's side on these things ( not saying anyone is here is though) and I appreciate everyone and what they are doing. What you mentioned of Elkarte, I did not know am not that familiar with it just started testing it out. Just looking from a far!

I have seen many that want someone to put word press into SMF, or the other way around and I know this can not be done, or not may not be feasible, however a system that would do both, well that would be something worth looking into!

Sorry if I'm hard to understand at times, but hope this explains my vision some :)

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2015, 04:48:35 PM »
Hi all!
Sorry for the "kind of" necroposting (all in all, it's 1 year old, but it's also still in the first page, so it's not exactly necro :P), but it's a while I'm not around here and so I read the topic only now. O:-)

For sure you are right, but what happens with for ex. Elkarte or Protendo if main developers will leave the procject?
Who is the "main developer" of ElkArte?
If you ask me, there isn't one.

I'm not sure that there is so many devs who want to continue their work.
That's not false for SMF itself. In 2013 when ElkArte started, basically the only "official" SMF developer was Oldiesmann (I was still in the team, but I was not really contributing *that* much).

Do you honestly think Elkarte would be interested in my boardtype ideas? Or that Wedge would be remotely interested in my ideas about themes - seeing as Nao have already dismissed the concept of themes altogether?
Regarding boards, I have plans to use a board to create blogs and have a gallery (I already have some code, but I have to work on it), but I'm not sure if/how that fits into what you wrote here.
You cannot know if someone is interested in something unless you present it (at least that's how I think it usually works).
The only "downside" of ElkArte is that even if someone likes it, unless there is someone (else) coding it, a proposal will not go that far. :P ...but that's true for any project.

I may remember wrong, but I think there was some resistance to it,
If I can be completely honest, the only resistance was the complexity of the code.
Spuds tried to convert it, but after a while he switched to SP.
I'm sure it's not a secret (and if it is a secret... well, I didn't know it was :P), TP code *is* complex, and when you have to make a choice, do you pick the one that will take lot of time to convert, or the one that has already a certain orientation (strictly code-wise speaking) that match the one you are using in the rest of the application and allows you to have a working portal in a reasonable amount of time?

That said, of course if you want to try the conversion you are welcome, diversity is always important and have alternatives is a good thing! :D

since Elkarte would seemingly have its own "portal" features anyway.And why not? But using something already existing was not in the cards, and I can underatnd that.
Actually it was (use existing code) and has been. ;)
I'm well aware of my limits, and reinvent the wheel is not my favorite sport, if I can use existing code I'm happy to do so. 8) (And as far as I know Spuds, TE and anyone else contributing share the same idea.)
And, that said, I proposed to include some kind of "portal-like" features in the code, and with the "not reinvent the wheel" idea in mind, I would like to have a kind of common ground for addons: call them widgets or blocks or whatever, but something that could be reused by multiple addons without having to rewrite everything every time. Well, still nothing except ideas, so difficult to go more in details, but there is a topic somewhere at elkarte.net.

Just another example of what I just said though, as long as someone else is calling the shots, you can't count on having the freedom you need to reach your goals.And thats why forking is important - even if it doesn't pan out in the end popularity-wise.
Well, I proposed several things for ElkArte.
Several have been accepted, several have not.
I wrote a lot of code that has been ignored, taken down, or that simply didn't fit with what other thought.
It's part of the game.

Of course, if you want to entirely drive the development without having to care about the opinion of anyone else, then going solo is the only way.
That doesn't mean you cannot contribute to other projects: you work on your idea, and then you propose it. If it is accepted good, if it is not good anyway, something unique to your project.
The trick is: this is true only as long as the code is close enough to the originator.

* emanuele goes sleep again.

Bye!

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2015, 06:22:15 AM »
Hi
I'm doing a refresh/reinstall on a forum
2.0.9
TP 1.0.

I get the sources/QueryString.php error.
having read the topic in SMF main forum I'm not sure whether to use the entire TP 1.1 update here
or whether to edit my QueryString.php ?

Which do you suggest..............if it is the edit I'm not clear what I need to change  ???
thanks

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2015, 03:14:04 PM »
Just thought I'd update this thread a little. TP is still alive and kicking.  We have Tinyportal just about ready to release to the public.  Not too many changes since Brad posted the first post, but here they are,

What's new in TP 1.1

General Updates:
  • General code clean-up.
  • Removed SMF1.x support.
  • Removed Tagging system, as it never really worked out.
  • Added read more link for forum posts as articles on front page.
  • Changed error logging when guests try to hit non-existing articles.
  • Added guest permission for comments
  • Updated social icons for sharing article
  • A little bit of caching added. Should reduce some queries.
  • Using more hooks for less file edits to install.
  • Moved the promote button to integrate_display_buttons hook, instead of being in its own space/layer.
  • Fixed errors with "forum_name" and "subtabs".
  • Several cosmetic changes overall, less use of TP styles and more of common SMF styles.

Shoutbox updates:
  • Added ajax to shout/delete without page refresh.
  • Added timer to ajax update shouts for time specified.
  • The option to submit the shout by pressing enter.
  • Option to choose between 2 layouts.
  • Added option to allow/disallow links in shoutbox.
  • Shout smiley's should now pull from SMF smiley's.
  • Added "bubble" style to shouts, pure CSS-based.
  • Fixed long-time error with guest shouts.
  • Added option to set a shout-header, using HTML/BBC tags.
  • Single-shout block-code upgraded with newer code.
  • Add browser specific CSS to handle word-wrapping in shouts.

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Re: Ready for TP 1.1 yet?
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2015, 03:38:33 PM »
Good move Mick, we are so looking forward to this release!   O0
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